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From Troy Howard <thowar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Lucene.Net] Nuget, Lucene.Net, and Your Thoughts
Date Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:06:55 GMT
Michael - Could be wrong, but I think Nick might have gotten you
confused with Neal.

Regardless, I completely agree with everything you just said.

And, Yay for NuGet! Package management is the bomb.

-T


On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Michael Herndon
<mherndon@wickedsoftware.net> wrote:
> Nick,
>
> The last e-mail was out of line and out of context. If anything, emails like
> that can push people into emotional or motivational apathy towards working
> on a project.
>
> 1) Lucene.Net will be getting nuget packages.   People can hate on it,
> grumble, or not use it, but its a viable distribution vehicle. Its going in.
>  This thread was to gather feedback on how people that would use it, see
> themselves using it.
>
> 2) Others might want alternatives to nuget that have not been provided yet.
>  We should be open to providing distribution alternatives if enough people
> warrant it.  Its not apathetic or impassive to think to that there might be
> more than one way to distribute releases.
>
> 3) Attack problems. Not people. If you believe a person is the problem, take
> the issue up with them offline. Those kinds of things are better face to
> face or through a phone call, or an exceptionally clear e-mail. Its way too
> easy for people to read into things too much or take things out of context
> in an e-mail.
>
> Attacking people also distracts people from focusing on the actual issue and
> prevents any actually logic or reason or sound argument from being heard.
>  Its a good way to alienate people that you should actually be trying to
> persuade.
>
> 4) If I was actually apathetic and severely short sighted, I would not be
> spending my own vacation time this weekend automating nuget packages with
> the build scripts for Lucene.Net or experimenting Portable Library Tools for
> Lucene.Net 4.x to see if we can get it working on mobile.  Nor would I  have
> spent my last 4 day weekend setting up jenkins and local builds of
> Lucene.Net.  Or put in the hours today to make sure the build scripts
> are granular enough to implement the smaller packages.
>
> 5) If you feel so passionately about all this, why not work towards being a
> contributor or committer and lead by example ?
>
>
> - Michael
>
>
>
> Since I'm the one implementing Nuget into the build process and I have not
> played with the nuget server or creating a package, it just seem wise to
> gather feedback on how people saw themselves using the contrib packages.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] <
> casperOne@caspershouse.com> wrote:
>
>> With all due respect, it's myopic opinions like yours and Michael's (his
>> leans more towards apathy) which will harm the ability to get the project
>> into the hands of people.
>>
>> I think (hope?) it can be agreed upon that the more that people are aware
>> of
>> Lucene.NET, the better it is for the project in general, and most
>> importantly, the more potential that you have that someone will *contribute
>> back* to it (and given what Lucene.NET has gone through in the past year,
>> it
>> desperately needs that participation).
>>
>> The fact of the matter is that Nuget puts packages in the hands of .NET
>> developers, that leads to exposure and regardless of personal opinions on
>> whether or not they *like* Nuget, it can't be denied that it's an
>> *extremely* popular way to get libraries into people's projects.
>>
>> If you want to quibble over the actual numbers (and the definition of
>> "extremely popular") then that's fine, but here are the numbers you want:
>>
>> http://stats.nuget.org/
>>
>> If you want to just tell that audience to take a leap, that's fine, but I
>> think it would be foolish to do so otherwise.
>>
>> Additionally, given that Lucene.NET is already on Nuget, isn't there *any*
>> concern that there isn't an official distro?  Aren't you concerned about
>> the
>> integrity of the brand that so many of you fought to keep alive over the
>> past year?  There's no guarantee that what's on Nuget will be the official
>> releases/builds that come out of this project, and I'm a little surprised
>> there isn't more concern over that aspect either.
>>
>> Just my $0.02
>>
>> - Nick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Digy [mailto:digydigy@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:06 PM
>> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [Lucene.Net] Nuget, Lucene.Net, and Your Thoughts
>>
>> I am not against it, but personally think it as a toy.
>> I am from the generation where people used vi to write codes.
>>
>> DIGY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Powell [mailto:me@aaron-powell.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:56 AM
>> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [Lucene.Net] Nuget, Lucene.Net, and Your Thoughts
>>
>> Any particular reason you guys are not interested in NuGet?
>>
>> Aaron Powell
>> MVP - Internet Explorer (Development) | FunnelWeb Team Member
>>
>> http://apowell.me | http://twitter.com/slace | Skype: aaron.l.powell |
>> Github | BitBucket
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Digy [mailto:digydigy@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 7:42 AM
>> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [Lucene.Net] Nuget, Lucene.Net, and Your Thoughts
>>
>> Sorry, but I feel the same as Neal.
>>
>> DIGY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Granroth, Neal V. [mailto:neal.granroth@thermofisher.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:08 PM
>> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [Lucene.Net] Nuget, Lucene.Net, and Your Thoughts
>>
>> No interest in Nuget whatsoever.
>>
>> - Neal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Herndon [mailto:mherndon@wickedsoftware.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:57 PM
>> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org; lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: [Lucene.Net] Nuget, Lucene.Net, and Your Thoughts
>>
>> We're taking a quick poll over the next few days to see how people would
>> like use Lucene.Net through Nuget on the developers mailing list**
>>
>> Currently version 2.9.2 is hosted on nuget.org, but that package was not
>> create by the project maintainers, thus nuget is not currently set up in
>> source.  Going forward, we would like to continue what someone else started
>> by creating nuget packages for Lucene.Net.
>>
>> Right now there are two packages: Lucene & Lucene.Contrib.  My question to
>> the community is do you wish to finer grain packages, i.e. a package for
>> each contrib project or continue to keep it simple.
>>
>> The granular approach will let you use only what you need. We can also
>> create additional higher level packages which have dependencies on the
>> other
>> ones.   Possibly a Lucene.Net-Essentials and Lucene.Net-Full.
>>
>> Or we can keep it simple and continue with only two packages.
>>
>> My concerns are that the granular approach might overwhelm people with
>> choice. The simple choice might be considered bloat for importing and then
>> installing assemblies that you might never use.
>>
>>
>> Another topic to converse about is would you like to see an out-of-band
>> project nuget feed for  nightly builds, branches with new or experimental
>> features, or stable code snapshots for a projected release?
>>
>>
>> ** when you post, please respond to lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org.
>>  This
>> was posted to both lists to make sure everyone subscribed to both lists has
>> a chance to voice their use cases or concerns.
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