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From Troy Howard <thowar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Lucene.Net] VOTE: .NET 2.0 Framework Support After Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.4
Date Mon, 09 May 2011 22:26:20 GMT
Yes, if you can't use a later framework, then you won't get the
benefits that come with that. One of the benefits that you may not get
is the latest version of the code with the least bugs. These are all
factors that a organization must take into account when considering
such policies. It's a tough choice to make, but even the most
conservative organizations need to move forward at some point. This is
the same issue that we all suffered through moving from 1.1 to 2.0...
Or moving from 32bit to 64bit... etc.

If there is a real technical limitation (as opposed to a 'business
decision/policy'), then the best option is to branch from a previous
2.0 compatible revision, and update the code to resolve whatever
issues you are encountering. Backporting from 3.5/4.0 code to 2.0 code
is not that difficult, especially when we have Mono available to work
from. Also, 2.9.4 (2.0 compatible) should have all the features of
2.9.4g (4.0 compatible)... That is accomplished by setting the target
framework to 2.0, and using Mono implementations of HashSet/SortedSet
in the SupportClass.cs. So, until we get to Lucene.Net 3.X (next
version after 2.9.4), there will be support for 2.0 framework for all
changes/features.


For those with a situation similar to Neal's, I would consider option
[0] in the vote. This option proposes maintaining 2.0 compatibility
with patches/ifdef blocks, but still considering 4.0 as the primary
target framework. This seems like it would be ideal for those stuck
with limitations about framework support. It is unfortunately, the
option that requires the most amount of coding work and the most code
complexity.

In general, I don't think we should consider targeting 3.5. One of the
problems with 3.5 compatibility is that depending on what version of
3.5 you have (service packs, etc) you may get different results (eg,
can't compile with certain builds). So if we say "3.5" is our target
-- which 3.5? 4.0 may end up the same, but at the moment, it doesn't
have this problem.


Perhaps we should work up a "For the boss" page which explains, in
detail, the cost/benefit analysis of choosing a version of Lucene.Net
(and it's associated framework dependencies). This will assist folks
who are trying to justify a particular perspective (either for/against
using a particular version). Benchmarks, known bugs/bug fixes/features
list, etc..


Thanks,
Troy


On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Granroth, Neal V.
<neal.granroth@thermofisher.com> wrote:
> That only works if you are *allowed* to deploy a new or updated .NET framework on the
target system, which is not always true.
>
> But the problem is not really about deployment it is really more for those of us who
must compile from source and who are not permitted to upgrade our development toolset.
>
> - Neal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Powell [mailto:me@aaron-powell.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:41 PM
> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org; lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Lucene.Net] VOTE: .NET 2.0 Framework Support After Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.4
>
> +1
>
> PS: If you are supporting .NET 3.5 then you get .NET 2.0 support anyway, you just have
to bin-deploy the .NET 3.5 dependencies (System.Core, etc) since they are all the same CLR
>
> Aaron Powell
> MVP - Internet Explorer (Development) | Umbraco Core Team Member | FunnelWeb Team Member
>
> http://apowell.me | http://twitter.com/slace | Skype: aaron.l.powell | MSN: aazzap@hotmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Howard [mailto:thoward37@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 May 2011 6:05 AM
> To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org; lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org
> Subject: [Lucene.Net] VOTE: .NET 2.0 Framework Support After Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.4
>
> All,
>
> Please cast your votes regarding the topic of .Net Framework support.
>
> The question on the table is:
>
> Should Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.4 be the last release which supports the .Net 2.0 Framework?
>
> Some options are:
>
> [+1] - Yes, move forward to the latest .Net Framework version, and drop support for 2.0
completely. New features and performance are more important than backwards compatibility.
> [0] - Yes, focus on the latest .Net Framework, but also include patches and/or preprocessor
directives and conditional compilation blocks to include support for 2.0 when needed. New
features, performance, and backwards compatibility are all equally important and it's worth
the additional complexity and coding work to meet all of those goals.
> [-1] No, .Net Framework 2.0 should remain our target platform. Backwards compatibility
is more important than new features and performance.
>
>
> This vote is not limited to the Apache Lucene.Net IPMC. All users/contributors/committers/mailing
list lurkers are welcome to cast their votes with an equal weight. This has been cross posted
to both the dev and user mailing lists.
>
> Thanks,
> Troy
>

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