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From Troy Howard <thowar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: RE: Vote thread started on general@lucene.apache.org
Date Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:00:34 GMT
Good recommendation, Michael.

I've gone ahead and started the process by making the wiki page at:

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Lucene.Net%20Proposal

Thanks,
Troy


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Michael Herndon <mherndon@o19s.com> wrote:
> You might want to push it back a week later than that. Some take extended
> vacations during the week of new years.  (*shogatsu* or *oshogatsu) *is
> pretty popular in japan, Some people take extra days off to account for
> having to spend time with family during christmas etc.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Troy Howard <thoward37@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> We should communicate on the public list as much as possible. I'll put
>> together the draft proposal today, post it here, and ask for feedback
>> from both the Lucene PMC and the community. We will wait over the
>> weekend and Monday to allow people who might have additional input the
>> opportunity to either see this at home or at work.
>>
>> On Tuesday (Jan 4th) we will move forward with whatever our best
>> effort has produced and go from there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Troy
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Lombard, Scott
>> <slombard@kingindustries.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From everything that was said it seems apparent to me that the only way
>> for Lucene.Net to stay alive is to move back to incubation.  So where do we
>> go from here?  More than 4 people have said they are willing to be
>> committers.  Is this email list the best place to start working on a
>> proposal, should it be done between a small group offline or is there a way
>> that the community can work on it together?
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Troy Howard [mailto:thoward37@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:22 PM
>> > To: lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> > Cc: lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: RE: Vote thread started on general@lucene.apache.org
>> >
>> > Marco,
>> >
>> > I agree with you on this front. I feel that the first tasks that a new
>> > Lucene.Net team should focus on, in terms of development are:
>> >
>> > - Fully automating a line-by-line port using a tool such as Sharpen.
>> > This needs to become a commodity function requiring very little
>> > development effort
>> > - Bring the existing forks back in as branches within the ASF project.
>> > I am very interested in pursuing continued development on a more .NET
>> > style port (i.e. the Lucere project I started or Aimee.Net
>> >
>> > The Lucene.Net project should be able to continue with both
>> > development paths in the same project.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Troy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Marco Dissel <marco.dissel@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> What will be the goal of new committors? Convert the source into .net
>> style
>> >> code? If yes, we should try to stop will all the spin-offs and
>> concentrate
>> >> all the development in one project.
>> >> Op 30 dec. 2010 19:02 schreef "Lombard, Scott" <
>> slombard@kingindustries.com>
>> >> het volgende:
>> >>> Grant,
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for your time explaining all the details. I will be willing work
>> on
>> >> a proposal to put Lucene.Net back in to incubation. I will need other
>> people
>> >> to step up and be committers as well. Heath has volunteered and as Grant
>> has
>> >> stated 4 committers are needed to for incubation. Who else is willing to
>> be
>> >> a committer?
>> >>>
>> >>> Grant I will definitely be taking you up on your offer to help on bring
>> >> Lucene.Net into incubation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Scott
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsingers@apache.org]
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:32 PM
>> >>> To: lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: Vote thread started on general@lucene.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Heath Aldrich wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi Grant,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While I have developed extensively against Lucene.net, I do not
>> possess
>> >> the java skills needed to do a port of the code... So, while I wouldn't
>> mind
>> >> being a committer, I do not think I am qualified. (I guess if I was, I
>> could
>> >> just use Lucene proper and that would be that)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As to other duties of a committer, I think the ASF is perceived
as a
>> >> black box of questions for most of us.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For one, I don't think anyone outside the 4 committers even understand
>> >> *why* it is a good thing to be on the ASF vs. CodePlex, Sourceforge,
>> etc.
>> >> Maybe if there was an understanding of the why, the requirements of the
>> ASF
>> >> would make more sense. I think a lot of us right now just perceive the
>> ASF
>> >> as the group that is wanting to kill Lucene.net.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think we have a desire to kill it, I just think we are faced
>> with
>> >> the unfortunate reality that the project is already dead and now us on
>> the
>> >> PMC have the unfortunate job of cleaning up the mess as best we can.
>> Again,
>> >> it is not even that we want to see it go away, we on the PMC just don't
>> want
>> >> to be responsible for it's upkeep. You give me the names of 4 people who
>> are
>> >> willing to be committers (i.e. people willing to volunteer their time)
>> and I
>> >> will do my best to get the project into the Incubator. However, I have
>> to
>> >> tell you, my willingness to help is diminishing with every trip we take
>> >> around this same circle of discussion.
>> >>>
>> >>> Simply put, given the way the vote has gone so far, the Lucene PMC is
>> no
>> >> longer interested in sustaining this project. If the community wishes to
>> see
>> >> it live at the ASF then one of you had better step up and spend 20-30
>> >> minutes of your time writing up the draft proposal (most of it can be
>> copied
>> >> and pasted) and circulating it. In fact, given the amount of time some
>> of
>> >> you have no doubt spent writing on this and other related threads you
>> could
>> >> have put together the large majority of the proposal, circulated the
>> draft
>> >> and got other volunteers to help and already be moving forward in a
>> positive
>> >> direction. Truth be told, I would do it, but I am explicitly not going
>> to
>> >> because I think that if the community can't take that one step to move
>> >> forward, then it truly doesn't deserve to.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I get your comments about the slower than slow development, but
that
>> is
>> >> also somewhat of a sign that it works. While 2.9.2 may be behind, it
>> seems
>> >> very stable with very few issues. If we send the project to the attic,
>> how
>> >> will anyone be able to submit bugfixes ever? Frankly, I use 2.9.2 every
>> day
>> >> and have not found bugs in the areas that I use... but I'm sure they are
>> in
>> >> there somewhere.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for the name, I thought Lucene.net was the name of the project
back
>> in
>> >> the SourceForge days...
>> >>>> So my question is based on the premise that "if the lucene.net name
>> was
>> >> brought *to* ASF, why can the community not leave with it?"
>> >>>
>> >>> Again, IANAL, but just b/c it was improperly used beforehand does not
>> mean
>> >> it is legally owned by some other entity. The Lucene name has been at
>> the
>> >> ASF since 2001 and Lucene.NET is also now a part of the ASF. (If your
>> >> interested, go look at the discussions around iBatis and the movement of
>> >> that community to MyBatis)
>> >>>
>> >>> -Grant
>> >>>
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