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From Luciano Resende <luckbr1...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Outreachy candidates and CLAs
Date Fri, 04 Oct 2019 23:35:10 GMT
On GSoC, at least when I was heavily involved, we used to ask for ICLA from
accepted students...

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 16:49 Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW, for the projects I've mentored so far in Outreachy, I haven't
> asked anyone to submit an ICLA until they were accepted as the final
> candidates. I've also relied on whatever each OSS community's
> documentation says about when an ICLA should be submitted rather than
> blanket requesting them from any applicant. This was for both ASF and
> the Jenkins project. Some other communities rely on commit sign-offs
> [1] instead which are similar to signing the Apache ICLA regarding
> assertion of rights to contribute that code, and that's probably the
> lowest barrier to entry (just use `git commit -s` to enable it),
> though I haven't seen ASF use that approach.
>
> [1]: https://developercertificate.org/
>
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 13:36, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > IMO, signing the ICLA should not be a prerequisite for acceptance of a
> first PR.  The first PR is unlikely to be a significant contribution.
> Hopefully at the end of the internship there is a significant contribution
> and by that time, the candidate has become comfortable enough to sign the
> ICLA.  So yes, good idea to introduce the ICLA at the first PR, but I don't
> think it has to be a barrier, at least not right away.
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 10/4/19, 10:59 AM, "Craig Russell" <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Awasum,
> >
> >     I believe that you have exactly the right thinking on this subject.
> Details below.
> >
> >     > On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Awasum Yannick <awasum@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > For simplicity, all contributors in the context of Outreachy or
> GSoC should just sign ICLAs when the submit first PRs. its going to make
> things very easy for us and them in the long run.
> >     >
> >     Yes, having an ICLA on file for all candidates is a good thing.
> >
> >     > So as soon as someone sends in their first PR, send them to fill
> an iCLA form and submit.
> >
> >     This will make it easier to give the person the ability to commit
> later on if they deserve it.
> >     >
> >     > I wonder if this will add another barrier of entry? as people
> might get confused about why they need to do that or even be reluctant to
> fill the form an send.
> >     >
> >     Here's where diversity gets involved. We should review the FAQ on
> the license page and see if filling the ICLA might be a barrier to the
> people we want to attract.
> >
> >     We should proactively look at the FAQ with this in mind and suggest
> changes if they are warranted.
> >
> >     But if the ICLA is a barrier, it should go into the friction log
> with suggested changes.
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Craig
> >
> >     > Thanks.
> >     > Awasum
> >     >
> >     > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:33 PM Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com
> <mailto:boards@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     > For more info, we have an FAQ here:
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Flicenses%2Fcla-faq.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C9d21049304dc4550116408d748f4a21c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C637058087835364859&amp;sdata=dyTMy%2FPsgDSQPlXnbHUTg4mHT2yUV8iZ7PzPWLNfS20%3D&amp;reserved=0
> <
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Flicenses%2Fcla-faq.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C9d21049304dc4550116408d748f4a21c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C637058087835364859&amp;sdata=dyTMy%2FPsgDSQPlXnbHUTg4mHT2yUV8iZ7PzPWLNfS20%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> >     >
> >     > I forgot to mention that CLAs also apply to patent grants (not many
> >     > OSS licenses besides ALv2 and GPLv3 even address patents in scope
> of
> >     > the license AFAIK), though this is more an issue for development
> done
> >     > with corporate resources (I doubt many individuals bother filing
> >     > software patents outside a business).
> >     >
> >     > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 10:35, James Bognar <jamesbognar@apache.org
> <mailto:jamesbognar@apache.org>> wrote:
> >     > >
> >     > > Thank you for the clarification.
> >     > >
> >     > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:32 AM Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com
> <mailto:boards@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     > > >
> >     > > > CLAs aren’t assigning copyright or anything. It’s asserting
> that you have the rights to the code being uploaded and are allowing the
> ASF to use it under the Apache License. For non-trivial contributions made
> by non-committers, it’s typically up to the PMC to decide whether they can
> vouch for the contribution themselves or if the contributor should sign an
> ICLA.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > Basically, the provenance of all code at Apache should be
> traceable to committers with an ICLA on file or an initial software grant
> from the corporation who donated the code base.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 10:22, James Bognar <
> jamesbognar@apache.org <mailto:jamesbognar@apache.org>> wrote:
> >     > > >>
> >     > > >> Does that mean that I as a committer am legally responsible
> for
> >     > > >> contributions accepted by non-committers?  It's not my code,
> so how
> >     > > >> can I grant copyright to it to the Apache Foundation?
> >     > > >>
> >     > > >> Just curious.
> >     > > >>
> >     > > >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:07 AM Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com
> <mailto:boards@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     > > >> >
> >     > > >> > Not necessarily. An ICLA is needed to become a committer,
> and any contributions accepted are committed by people who already signed
> the ICLA. It can make things easier in the long run to submit an ICLA,
> though.
> >     > > >> >
> >     > > >> > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 08:08, James Bognar <
> jamesbognar@apache.org <mailto:jamesbognar@apache.org>> wrote:
> >     > > >> >>
> >     > > >> >> Question...
> >     > > >> >>
> >     > > >> >> Do Outreachy candidates need to submit CLAs in order
to
> make code contributions?
> >     > > >> >
> >     > > >> > --
> >     > > >> > Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>>
> >     > > >
> >     > > > --
> >     > > > Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>>
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>>
> >
> >     Craig L Russell
> >     clr@apache.org
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>
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