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From James Bognar <jamesbog...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Juneau 6.2.0-incubating RC1
Date Tue, 25 Apr 2017 02:32:31 GMT
I think I got it.  Please review the following instructions and feel free
to make edits if necessary:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JUNEAU/New+release+guidelines#Newreleaseguidelines-4-Voting

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:34 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:31 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mentor hat on.
> >
> > I would recommend *not* using the term "binding" for anything related to
> > the PPMC.
> >
> > Binding votes are a term of art when applied to a PMC.
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#binding-votes
> >
> > It's up to the PPMC whether votes by community members should be counted
> > toward the three +1 votes on the dev list. Hopefully, there will be three
> > votes by PPMC members to forward the vote to the IPMC. It's fine to
> include
> > community votes when forwarding the vote to the IPMC. It's fine to
> separate
> > community votes from PPMC votes. It's best to not refer to binding votes
> at
> > this level.
> >
> > At the IPMC level "binding" votes are cast by IPMC members. No one else.
> >
> > > On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:58 AM, James Bognar <jamesbognar@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is this correct?...
> > >
> > > On the podling-level vote, anyone listed as a current member here
> > > <http://juneau.incubator.apache.org/index.html#community.html> is a
> > > "binding" vote.  Anyone else can vote as non-binding.  PPMC members
> votes
> > > carry over as "binding" on the incubator-level vote.
> >
> > No. This is correct:
> >
> > On the podling-level vote, anyone listed as a current member here
> > <http://juneau.incubator.apache.org/index.html#community.html> is a
> > PPMC vote.  Anyone else can vote as non-PPMC.  Only IPMC members votes
> > carry over as "binding" on the incubator-level vote.
> >
> > So, you may like to summarize the dev list vote thusly:
> >
> > Voting for Apache Juneau 6.2.0-incubating is now closed. The release
> > has passed with the following tally:
> >
> > +1s:
> > James Bognor (PPMC)
> > Steve Blackmon (PPMC)
> > John D. Ament (IPMC)
> > Craig Russell (IPMC)
> > Joey Frazee
> >
> > Thanks everyone who voted!
> >
> > I understand this is a bit of intricacy but "binding" is a long-standing
> > term that even predates the existence of the incubator.
> >
>
> Personally, I'd just avoid listing out anything other IPMCs in special
> manner.
>
> I also want to point out this section of our website -
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#PPMC+binding+votes - which
> matches some broad discussion had on what makes a binding vote, and when (I
> initiated it, because a lot of podlings like to misuse binding).
>
> John
>
>
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:48 AM, James Bognar <jamesbognar@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks John.
> > >>
> > >> I'll update the release guidelines to make this clear.  It's easy to
> > >> forget these intricacies.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:46 AM, John D. Ament <
> john.d.ament@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:06 AM Jochen Wiedmann <
> > >>> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:57 PM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> Jochen, sorry but I'm going to disagree with you on this. 
PPMC
> votes
> > >>> are
> > >>>>> only binding for accepting committers/PPMC members.  They are
not
> > >>> binding
> > >>>>> for releases.  The fact that the podling voted positively to
> release
> > >>> is
> > >>>> an
> > >>>>> important sign, and what needs to be carried forward to the
IPMC.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All the better!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> I'm not sure what to do with this response.  However, I wanted to
> cite
> > the
> > >>> existing policy document [1].
> > >>>
> > >>> Therefore, should a Podling decide it wishes to perform a release,
> the
> > >>> Podling SHALL hold a vote on the Podling's public dev list. At least
> > three
> > >>> +1 votes are required (see the Apache Voting Process page). If the
> > >>> majority
> > >>> of all votes is positive, then the Podling SHALL send a summary of
> that
> > >>> vote to the Incubator's general list and formally request the
> Incubator
> > >>> PMC
> > >>> approve such a release. Three +1 Incubator PMC votes are required.
> > Below
> > >>> is
> > >>> an example showing how an incubating project managed this process:
> > >>>
> > >>> Therefore, its clear that the binding/non-binding status is
> irrelevant
> > on
> > >>> the dev list.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.htm
> > >>> l#Releases
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Jochen
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!"
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/
> > >>> 2014/10/evolution-of-the-wheel-300x85.jpg
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> > clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
> >
> >
>

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