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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] - Which bug tracking system should we be using.
Date Sat, 02 Jul 2016 16:14:32 GMT
Ok, and I mucked up as well.  In my haste of processing JIRA tickets for
the bootstrap, I requested a JIRA project.  We don't have to use it, but I
would like to see the discussion continue on.

John

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:25 AM James Bognar <james.bognar@salesforce.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Stian.  I guess this vote thread morphed into a discussion.  I
> didn't anticipate such a lively discussion. :-)
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:52 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes <stain@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On 28 June 2016 at 14:56, James Bognar <james.bognar@salesforce.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To vote, put [-1](opposed), [0] (no preference), or [1](support) next
> to
> > > each choice...
> >
> > While the use of -1/0/+1 is how I would expect, I think it's premature
> > to start a formal [VOTE] before the options have been discussed
> > informally (as we seem to be doing in the rest of this thread). It's
> > common to first do a [DISCUSS], and only resort to a [VOTE] if
> > consensus can't be made. [1]
> >
> > This also helps to keep the actual [VOTE] thread clean. A long [VOTE]
> > discussion tends to scare people away from voting.
> >
> >
> > [VOTE]s are however required for two things:
> >
> > 1) Releases [2], which must be open for 72 hours, have +3 "binding"
> > votes from Juneau PPMC members and more positive than negative.  (and
> > while in the incubator, +3 incubator IPMC members/mentors)
> >
> > and
> >
> > 2) Accepting new committers and/or PPMC members (this is done on
> > private@juneau for obvious reasons)
> >
> >
> > But for both it's good to have an informal email first to feel the
> > mood, e.g. "Are we in a good shape to do a release? Anything
> > outstanding? I'm willing to be the Release Manager, and will start
> > preparing a Release Candidate on Wednesday unless I hear otherwise. "
> > -- or (on private@) "I'm thinking of suggesting Alice W. Land as a
> > committer, she has contributed many patches and seem to have a good
> > understanding. What do you think?"
> >
> >
> > For other situations, it can often be suitable to do a "Lazy
> > consensus", e.g. "I want to change Juneau to use Java 8, this is a
> > Lazy Consensus vote that passes in 72 hours if no negative votes are
> > received.". [3]
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > [2] https://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#approving-a-release
> > [3] http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#decision-making
> >
>
>
>
> --
> James Bognar
>

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