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From "Daniel B. Widdis" <wid...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release Apache TubeMQ (Incubating) 0.8.0-incubating RC2
Date Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:30:48 GMT
Craig,

As Justin pointed out, while the "Java Edition" includes the AL 2.0
license, there are additional restrictions on the website [1]:

"The our open source license permits you to use Berkeley DB, Berkeley DB
Java Edition or Berkeley DB XML at no charge under the condition that if
you use the software in an application you redistribute, the complete
source code for your application must be available and freely
redistributable under reasonable conditions. "

[1] - Oracle Berkeley DB Licensing Information
<https://www.oracle.com/database/technologies/related/berkeleydb/berkeleydb-licensing.html>


On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 4:00 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Which Oracle product is TubeMQ dependent on?
>
> From what I see, there are two distinct Oracle products, with different
> licenses:
>
> Berkeley DB uses a Category X non-commercial license, which Justin points
> out is not an open source license.
>
> Berkeley DB Java Edition uses a standard Apache License, v2.0 with an
> additional license that appears to be the 3-clause BSD license for an
> embedded third-party component; both of which are Category A licenses.
>
> So if the project uses only Berkeley DB Java Edition, all is well. If it
> uses Berkeley DB then we have a problem.
>
> Regards,
> Craig
>
> > On Feb 18, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Daniel B. Widdis <widdis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the clarification, Justin!  I missed that non-commercial
> > limitation.
> >
> > I agree that it would be better to replace that dependency,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 1:41 PM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My concern is that while it claims it is under the Apache license that
> is
> >> only for non-commercial use. Having a restriction like that means it’s
> not
> >> really under the Apache license.
> >>
> >> It states on that page [1]
> >> "Our open source license is OSI-certified and permits use of Berkeley DB
> >> in open source projects or in applications that are not distributed to
> >> third parties.”
> >> "Our commercial license permits closed-source distribution of an
> >> application to third parties and provides business assurance"
> >>
> >> ASF releases need to be distributed to third parties, ASF releases can’t
> >> have non-commercial restrictions.
> >>
> >> IMO It would be best if the project replaced this dependancy with
> >> something else.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Justin
> >>
> >> 1.
> >>
> https://www.oracle.com/database/technologies/related/berkeleydb-downloads.html
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> > --
> > Dan Widdis
>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
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Dan Widdis

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