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From Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Date Thu, 28 Jan 2021 01:21:38 GMT


> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:58 PM, vongosling <fengjia10@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Agree to raise this issue, even before podling starts. Initial teams need
> to follow up on this potential problem[1]. Let's see how things go :-)
> 
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21353

No! Naming is not an INFRA issue. Please see my other note.

> 
> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> 于2021年1月28日周四 上午12:35写道:
> 
>> It's typically a good idea to figure out your project name early on.
>> If you have to change the name before graduation in order to get a
>> trademark, then that wastes the momentum gathered under the old name.
>> That can always happen after the podling boots up, though.
>> 
>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 07:44, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is just a reminder, not an instruction.
>>> The naming search and approval will officially happen when you are
>> powerful
>>> enough to graduate.
>>> Personally, I would like to see this as a potential risk, not just
>>> regarding Solace.
>>> 
>>> Of course, this is your option. you should know, if you can't get
>> approval
>>> in the future, you will have a much bigger branding hurt.
>>> (You don't need to convince me)
>>> 
>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ShannonDing <dinglei@apache.org> 于2021年1月27日周三 下午9:23写道:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to make a comments about this serious problem too,
>>>> In order not to cause unnecessary trouble in the future, we also
>> request
>>>> the infra member from apache to help check whether this name is
>>>> appropriate[1].
>>>> For us, we have used the name EventMesh for a long time, and we want to
>>>> keep it so that users can get better product positioning from this
>> name.
>>>> According to this document[2], we also searched in the US Patent
>> Office[3]
>>>> and found no non-compliance.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21353
>>>> [2] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
>>>> [3] https://www.uspto.gov/trademark
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 01/27/2021 21:11,Eason Chen<chenguangsheng@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> @Sheng Wu
>>>> thank you for your kindly reminder. I would like to clarify this
>> concerns.
>>>> 
>>>> As @Duane Pauls <duane.pauls@gmail.com> clarified this before:
>>>> “*I work for Solace and have consulted internally to confirm that we
>> do not
>>>> have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event Mesh”. It’s true
it
>> is
>>>> something our products are closely aligned with。 Solace does not
>> oppose the
>>>> term being used in other applicable products or projects.*”
>>>> Solace do not  have any copyright or trademark on the term “Event
>> Mesh”.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 5:17 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> I want to send a reminder for your project name chosen.
>>>> Event Mesh is widely used as a concept and term, you could find it
>> through
>>>> Google search,
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=event+mesh&oq=event+mesh
>>>> 
>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <fpapon@apache.org> 于2021年1月27日周三 下午5:12写道:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it looks very promising.
>>>> 
>>>> I will be very happy to help in the incubation process and integrate
>> the
>>>> project into Karaf with JB ;)
>>>> 
>>>> regards,
>>>> 
>>>> François
>>>> fpapon@apache.org
>>>> 
>>>> Le 27/01/2021 à 10:07, vongosling a écrit :
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> This is a very young but promising project. The team attached great
>>>> importance to this project according to the feedback given by
>>>> communities.
>>>> Through the efforts of the last five months, I am glad to see positive
>>>> changes in the project and community.
>>>> 
>>>> @Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jbonofre@apache.org>  EventMesh really need
>>>> to improve its lighter plugin modules, karaf may be a good optional
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Von Gosling
>>>> 
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb@nanthrax.net> 于2021年1月27日周三 下午4:43写道:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Eason,
>>>> 
>>>> That’s an interesting proposal, indeed.
>>>> 
>>>> I would rewrite some part of the proposal, but overall good.
>>>> 
>>>> I will check if the EventMesh architecture is "pluggable", meaning
>>>> that
>>>> we
>>>> "could" replace RocketMQ with another messaging/async provider.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, if you need some help on the project, please let me know, it’s
>>>> interesting and could be a good extend to Apache Karaf for instance.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>> 
>>>> Le 27 janv. 2021 à 09:32, Eason Chen <chenguangsheng@apache.org> a
>>>> écrit :
>>>> Good time of the time to all!
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
>>>> comments
>>>> and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
>>>> acceptance
>>>> into Incubator.
>>>> 
>>>> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
>>>> behind
>>>> the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially in
>>>> China)
>>>> as the community is literally thriving almost 5 years after the
>>>> graduation.
>>>> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
>>>> started
>>>> in
>>>> WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
>>>> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
>>>> of
>>>> doing things. Von Gosling is very instrumental in tirelessly helping
>>>> this
>>>> group to learn what it means to be a truly open source project.
>>>> 
>>>> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
>>>> see
>>>> it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
>>>> ecosystem
>>>> and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>>>> 
>>>> By the way, we still need 1 to 2 mentors, please let me know if you
>>>> are
>>>> interested.
>>>> 
>>>> With best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>>>> 
>>>> Eason Chen
>>>> 
>>>> [1]
>>>> 
>>>> 
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