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From "Eason Chen" <daerduoc...@qq.com>
Subject 回复: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Date Fri, 07 Aug 2020 01:48:59 GMT
Hi,
EventMesh will no longer rely strongly on RocketMQ in the future, it is only one choice of
the storage layer, other MQs, redis,&nbsp; blockchain can be supported in the future plans.


EventMesh is very different from Camel i think, it positioned in event governance and mesh
cloud nativeization.




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发件人:                                                                               
                                        "general"                                        
                                           <clebert.suconic@gmail.com&gt;;
发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 晚上11:52
收件人:&nbsp;"general"<general@incubator.apache.org&gt;;

主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal



What are the similarities and differences from Camel? (I'm not making
an argument in any way..just trying to understand it)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM Clebert Suconic
<clebert.suconic@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; If you make it generic enough that runs on other messaging solutions
&gt; (Kafka, Artemis, ActiveMQ, RocketMQ), you have less risk of being
&gt; orphaned.
&gt;
&gt; however if it's tight coupled with RocketMQ mentioned.. it becomes
&gt; more like a sub project of your broker than a separate project.
&gt;
&gt; What are the plans?
&gt;
&gt; On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:58 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Eason Chen <daerduochen@qq.com&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午6:17写道:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; We do not deny that the community is not really big and active,
we share
&gt; &gt; &gt; our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention
and
&gt; &gt; &gt; help, at the same time can help our colleagues&amp;nbsp;.we
believe that as
&gt; &gt; &gt; long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache
way,
&gt; &gt; &gt; the community will become stronger and stronger.&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hi
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
&gt; &gt; the reality. Such as
&gt; &gt; 1. Just open-sourced
&gt; &gt; 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
&gt; &gt; 3. Community development would be a challenge
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I hope you could understand, a project open-sourced from the company, and
&gt; &gt; not widely adopted, these are just the fact, don't need to hide them.
&gt; &gt; The incubator is welcome this kind of project, once you have enough active
&gt; &gt; mentors and initial committers.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ---------
&gt; &gt; Personally only, not from an IPMC member perspective
&gt; &gt; ---------
&gt; &gt; The concerns I raised, are from the perspective of protecting the project,
&gt; &gt; a very young community will face heavy loads of joining the ASF incubator
&gt; &gt; directly.
&gt; &gt; And from my personal experiences, people(especially in China) will
&gt; &gt; challenge the qualification of the project. I have seen this happened
&gt; &gt; before.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Sheng Wu 吴晟
&gt; &gt; Twitter, wusheng1108
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by
the
&gt; &gt; &gt; entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you
see some
&gt; &gt; &gt; components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming
&gt; &gt; &gt; internally, and will open source soon.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt; wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com&amp;gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; 发送时间:&amp;nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
&gt; &gt; &gt; 收件人:&amp;nbsp;"Incubator"<general@incubator.apache.org&amp;gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; 主题:&amp;nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Noticed this a little late.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I have some questions about the status of the project, especially
about the
&gt; &gt; &gt; `Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't
seem like
&gt; &gt; &gt; the status you said in the proposal.
&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is
only one
&gt; &gt; &gt; contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are
just < 50
&gt; &gt; &gt; lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
&gt; &gt; &gt; 2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
&gt; &gt; &gt; https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
&gt; &gt; &gt; 3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment
any all.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained
by one and
&gt; &gt; &gt; only one for now.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To the project community, could you respond what is the real status
now?
&gt; &gt; &gt; And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
&gt; &gt; &gt; established.
&gt; &gt; &gt; I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will
be hard to
&gt; &gt; &gt; make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sheng Wu 吴晟
&gt; &gt; &gt; Twitter, wusheng1108
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ming Wen <wenming@apache.org&amp;gt; 于2020年8月6日周四
下午5:24写道:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Hi, Eason,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions
and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; it would be great if you could help:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the
code was
&gt; &gt; &gt; contributed by
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; yourself.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy
to move forward.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license,
which is
&gt; &gt; &gt; Category X.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Can this dependency be removed?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt <https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors&amp;gt&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Thanks,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp;amp; Apache SkyWalking
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Twitter: _WenMing
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Eason Chen <daerduochen@qq.com&amp;gt; 于2020年8月4日周二
下午6:04写道:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Good time of the time to all!
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting
project for the
&gt; &gt; &gt; discussion,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; comments and feedback with the aim of
starting a formal [VOTE]
&gt; &gt; &gt; of its
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; acceptance into Incubator.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; People behind this project aren't new
to Apache: some of them
&gt; &gt; &gt; were behind
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider
a huge success(especially
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; China)as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; the community is literally thriving almost
3 years after the
&gt; &gt; &gt; graduation.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I have been involved a little bit with
this project when it just
&gt; &gt; &gt; started
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like
to emphasize that the
&gt; &gt; &gt; community
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; however small it might look so far, has
been aligned with Apache
&gt; &gt; &gt; ways of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ
PMC) is very instrumental in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn
what it means to be a
&gt; &gt; &gt; truly open
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; source project.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is
publicly available. As you
&gt; &gt; &gt; will see
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; it has a lot of dependency connections
with the rest of Apache
&gt; &gt; &gt; ecosystem
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue
to grow the
&gt; &gt; &gt; community.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; The project's proposal is available at
[1].
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Thank you very much for the feedback
you're willing to provide!
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;nbsp;With best regards,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; [1]
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt
&gt; &gt; &gt; <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&amp;gt&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; --
&gt; Clebert Suconic



-- 
Clebert Suconic

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