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From Clebert Suconic <clebert.suco...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
Date Thu, 06 Aug 2020 15:52:16 GMT
What are the similarities and differences from Camel? (I'm not making
an argument in any way..just trying to understand it)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM Clebert Suconic
<clebert.suconic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you make it generic enough that runs on other messaging solutions
> (Kafka, Artemis, ActiveMQ, RocketMQ), you have less risk of being
> orphaned.
>
> however if it's tight coupled with RocketMQ mentioned.. it becomes
> more like a sub project of your broker than a separate project.
>
> What are the plans?
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:58 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Eason Chen <daerduochen@qq.com> 于2020年8月6日周四 下午6:17写道:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > We do not deny that the community is not really big and active, we share
> > > our best practices and look forward to getting more people's attention and
> > > help, at the same time can help our colleagues&nbsp;.we believe that as
> > > long as we find the right method and organization such as the apache way,
> > > the community will become stronger and stronger.&nbsp;
> > >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Thanks for the honesty, I prefer you should adjust the proposal to match
> > the reality. Such as
> > 1. Just open-sourced
> > 2. Have a risk of being an orphaned project
> > 3. Community development would be a challenge
> >
> > I hope you could understand, a project open-sourced from the company, and
> > not widely adopted, these are just the fact, don't need to hide them.
> > The incubator is welcome this kind of project, once you have enough active
> > mentors and initial committers.
> >
> > ---------
> > Personally only, not from an IPMC member perspective
> > ---------
> > The concerns I raised, are from the perspective of protecting the project,
> > a very young community will face heavy loads of joining the ASF incubator
> > directly.
> > And from my personal experiences, people(especially in China) will
> > challenge the qualification of the project. I have seen this happened
> > before.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition, I want to clarify that these codes are submitted by the
> > > entire team within our company, but I open sourced them, as you see some
> > > components are not yet open source, we are reviewing and reforming
> > > internally, and will open source soon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------&nbsp;原始邮件&nbsp;------------------
> > > 发件人:
> > >                                                   "general"
> > >                                                                     <
> > > wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com&gt;;
> > > 发送时间:&nbsp;2020年8月6日(星期四) 下午5:42
> > > 收件人:&nbsp;"Incubator"<general@incubator.apache.org&gt;;
> > >
> > > 主题:&nbsp;Re: [DISCUSS] EventMesh Proposal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Noticed this a little late.
> > >
> > > I have some questions about the status of the project, especially about the
> > > `Orphaned Products` and the activity of the community.
> > >
> > > With a project open-sourced since September 2019, this doesn't seem like
> > > the status you said in the proposal.
> > > 1. If the EventMesh repo is the only code repo, AFAIK, there is only one
> > > contributor who has submitted the codes over 110 lines, most are just <
50
> > > lines. https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> > > 2. Only have 35 issues opened on the GitHub.
> > > https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/issues
> > > 3. The issues(since issue #21) since 21 days ago have no comment any all.
> > >
> > > From my understanding, this project is only limited maintained by one and
> > > only one for now.
> > >
> > > To the project community, could you respond what is the real status now?
> > > And why there is a gap between your proposal and GitHub open statistics?
> > >
> > > Personally, I have concerns about the activity and support of the
> > > community, or a little more, whether the basic community has been
> > > established.
> > > I think the incubator should notice the status, in case, it will be hard to
> > > make consensus and release soon in the incubating stage.
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > > Ming Wen <wenming@apache.org&gt; 于2020年8月6日周四 下午5:24写道:
> > >
> > > &gt; Hi, Eason,
> > > &gt; It's an interesting project. And I have a few questions and
> > > &gt; it would be great if you could help:
> > > &gt; 1. According to github's statistics[1], most of the code was
> > > contributed by
> > > &gt; yourself.
> > > &gt; So if you're on vacation, this project will not easy to move forward.
> > > &gt; 2. An external dependency `logback` is LGPL license, which is
> > > Category X.
> > > &gt; Can this dependency be removed?
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; [1] https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors
> > > &gt <https://github.com/WeBankFinTech/EventMesh/graphs/contributors&gt>;
> > > &gt; Thanks,
> > > &gt; Ming Wen, Apache APISIX &amp; Apache SkyWalking
> > > &gt; Twitter: _WenMing
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; Eason Chen <daerduochen@qq.com&gt; 于2020年8月4日周二
下午6:04写道:
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Good time of the time to all!
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the
> > > discussion,
> > > &gt; &gt; comments and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE]
> > > of its
> > > &gt; &gt; acceptance into Incubator.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of
them
> > > were behind
> > > &gt; &gt; the Apache RocketMQ, which I consider a huge success(especially
> > > in
> > > &gt; China)as
> > > &gt; &gt; the community is literally thriving almost 3 years after
the
> > > graduation.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; I have been involved a little bit with this project when
it just
> > > started
> > > &gt; &gt; in WeBank a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that
the
> > > community
> > > &gt; &gt; however small it might look so far, has been aligned with
Apache
> > > ways of
> > > &gt; &gt; doing things. Heng Du (from RocketMQ PMC) is very instrumental
in
> > > &gt; &gt; tirelessly helping this group to learn what it means to be
a
> > > truly open
> > > &gt; &gt; source project.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available.
As you
> > > will see
> > > &gt; &gt; it has a lot of dependency connections with the rest of Apache
> > > ecosystem
> > > &gt; &gt; and IMO will fit very well here and continue to grow the
> > > community.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; The project's proposal is available at [1].
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;With best regards,
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;nbsp;Eason Chen
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; [1]
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal
> > > &gt
> > > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/EventMeshProposal&gt>
> > > ;
>
>
>
> --
> Clebert Suconic



-- 
Clebert Suconic

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