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From Maxime Beauchemin <>
Subject Re: Giving our PMs and contributors triage rights on GitHub
Date Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:09:03 GMT
I can think of 3 main reasons backing the approach that I'm suggesting:

- as someone who's kicked off votes for dozens of committers across 3
communities, I know how slow and cumbersome the process of voting
committers in is. Effectively, it always takes more than 2 weeks (when
things go well) and involves many async touchpoints with many people.
- the chicken and egg issue discussed in this thread: for this type of role
triage is the probably the absolute best onramp
- personally I don't like the idea of diluting committerhood, it should be
earned through merit, not given so that people have a path to onramp

About diversity, we have to be creative and challenge the status quo
to make significant progress on this. Clearly offering a new onramp for
roles that historically haven't been well recognized in ASF projects is a
great way to improve diversity of roles, and consequently of thoughts and


On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:08 AM Justin Mclean <>

> Hi,
> > Last thought: I don't have data on this, but I think the ASF could be
> doing
> > better at diversity (see the ApacheCon picture <
> > as anecdotal evidence). Being inclusive of a wider range of roles and
> > offering diverse paths to "committerhood" could really help with this.
> For
> > Superset and many other projects, finding ways to involve and empower PMs
> > and designers to partake in the open source process is vital.
> We could always be doing a better job at diversity, but I’m not sure
> that’s the issue here.
> The bar to committership should be low and all forms of contribution
> considered by the (P)PMC. Many people end up being voted into communities
> without making code contributions, and this has happened to me on more than
> one occasion.
> Someone who is being paid to work on a project should have no issues is
> achieving this in a very short time. So I’m not sure what the issue is
> here. Is it in engaging people who have been assigned these roles to be
> publicly involved with the project and follow Apache values or is it
> something else?
> Thanks,
> Justin
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