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From Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache TVM Graduation
Date Sat, 29 Aug 2020 01:46:33 GMT
Is there even a need to upload the Docker images for CI? Docker recognizes
layers by checksums, so CI build agents will cache the image layers
regardless of whether or not you upload them to Docker Hub. Layers get
rebuilt when the Docker file changes or you force an update.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 20:12 Tianqi Chen <tqchen@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks Justin and Henry for the discussion thread.
>
>
>
> Please allow me to dissect and summarize again some of the discussion
>
> points:)
>
>
>
> C0: Docker Image
>
> - There was a mis-understanding that the docker image like ci-gpu
>
>   contains tvm. They do not, and instead contain an environment to
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>   build and run test cases.
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> - The thirdparty binary cache is used to speed up the test build. Anyone
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>   could build these binaries from a TVM source.
>
> - To avoid confusion about the branding, we have renamed the docker hub
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> name to
>
>   a different name that does not contain tvm so that it is clear as a
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> thirdparty.
>
>
>
> C1: Pointing to Apache Release
>
> - The PPMC 100% agree that we should produce high-quality Apache
>
>   compatible releases, and refer to them in the documents.
>
> - The installation documentation points to the official release download
>
> page [1].
>
> - There is a for developer section, which gives instructions to developers
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> about
>
>   how to clone the code from the git repo.
>
>
>
> C2: Number of releases
>
> - The PPMC wants to produce high quality releases according to feature
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>   plan coordinated with the community, rather than creating more releases.
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> - The release process is well documented[2],
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> - Per incubator policy[2], number of releases is not a hard bar for
>
> graduation.
>
>   "Podlings do not need to actually publish a release...". Instead the most
>
> important
>
>   thing is the demonstration of being able to cut apache release.
>
> - Besides the release process being well documented and there are already
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>   two high-quality releases(without WIP). The PMC contains several Apache
>
> members
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>   who have previous experiences in cutting releases in TLP projects.
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>   We are very confident that the PMC can continue to do so.
>
>
>
> C3: The discourse forum
>
> - The discourse forum, like the use of github, is mainly a way for user
>
> community to
>
>   engage with the project.
>
> - The usage of discourse forum is voted by the community[3]
>
> - The community follows the public archive principle, which means
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> everything is archived
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>   to mail-lists. Again, everything happens (also) happens on a mail-list.
>
> - The discourse forum is currently maintained by a few PMC members as
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> volunteers,
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>   as a thirdparty service to the community.
>
> - Again, the development happens in github, everything mirrored in dev@.
>
> The existence of the forum
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>   would not block the development.
>
>
>
> Finally, to summarize. I believe one of the main reasons behind these
>
> issues are trust rather than procedural.
>
> As a ASF member, I am certainly strive to make sure the related volunteer
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> maintained resources
>
> will continue beyond a certain individual by many ways including:
>
>
>
> - Introduce multiple volunteers from different organizations in the PMC to
>
> do the work.
>
> - Make sure the messages are backed up to mail-list.
>
> - Help INFRA to manage certain services instead if they are willing.
>
> However, note in cases like CI
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>   INFRA is also happy to let the PMC make specific choices.
>
>
>
> While many of the arguments in the above points boils down to "what if the
>
> few people did something evil via loophole X".
>
> And similar arguments can be applied to committer nominations in general.
>
> As I may quote from our committer
>
> nomination message "We like to work on trust rather than unnecessary
>
> constraints".
>
> This is the message that keeps bringing me back and makes me proud as a ASF
>
> member.
>
>
>
> There is no "one way" to the Apache way[3]. IMHO, the best thing I love
>
> about the ASF is indeed the people, and the
>
> trust we give to each PMC as long as things are operated under the Apache
>
> Way. The TVM PPMC has been working hard to
>
> build a healthy, diverse and independent community. And strives to protect
>
> the Apache brand and uphold apache release policy.
>
> Again, we welcome constructive feedback for continued improvement.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> TQ
>
>
>
> -----
>
> - [1]
>
> https://tvm.apache.org/docs/install/from_source.html#install-from-source
>
> - [2] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> - [3]
>
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c34b728f01d1030146594e47e0706cd1990ed731d06e3c179b7d501a%40%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E
>
> - [4] https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 5:15 PM Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
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> wrote:
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>
>
> > Sure, that is easy to fix and good suggestion. But, hope it is not a
>
> > blocker issue.
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> >
>
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 5:09 PM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
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> > wrote:
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> >
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > >
>
> > > The "install from sourceā€ page should probably point people to the
> source
>
> > > releases rather than the latest code in GitHub.
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Justin
>
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> > >
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> >
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Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>

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