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From Josh Fischer <>
Subject Re: Podling Roll Calls for Security Issues
Date Sat, 04 Apr 2020 02:14:43 GMT

I think this is a step in the right direction to gauge responsiveness of a
project's PPMC for reporting and non-reporting projects. I say reporting
and non-reporting as it really only takes one person to fill out a report.
I think the more important issue to address is when podlings cannot get
votes passed on critical issues like security reports.

- Josh

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:19 AM Dave Fisher <> wrote:

> From my time on the Board there is often a decision to have a board member
> ask non-reporting projects to do a roll call.
> Perhaps the best text for this that I’ve seen is from Ted Dunning. I’ve
> adapted this for podlings. I think it would be helpful for Mentors who find
> that a podling is non-responsive. See below the "———“.
> The Incubator has gone for sometimes years keeping podlings going. I think
> that having a roll call would be a good tool for mentors.
> Thoughts?
> Regards,
> Dave
> ——
> I have some concern that the ***** project is moving toward an inactive
> state, It is not responsive to a security issue and this might be good
> thing to mark officially. This happens to pretty much all projects at some
> point, so it is something to consider a natural progression in the project
> lifecycle. It is, however, something that should be dealt with.
> The specific issue is that if the project cannot have three PPMC members
> who are active enough to make releases and enough developer interest to
> respond to security issues, it is time to retire ***** from Incubation.
> Source code will continue to be available after this and anybody will be
> able to use the source code in a new project, but it will be clear that the
> project is no longer active at Apache. This is often a relief to project
> members who have a strong emotional commitment to the project, but who can
> no longer focus on the project.
> To determine what the next step should be, it is traditional to have a
> roll call of the PPMC. This email is a request for exactly that.
> Please respond to this email with one of the following options:
> 1) I can't really contribute any more, but am happy if others carry the
> project forward
> 2) I think it is time to retire the podling as inactive and move it
> elsewhere or return it to *****.
> 3) I am active in the project and have time and resources to vote on
> releases
> Please also feel free to discuss in this thread how you might want to
> respond.
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