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From Kenneth Knowles <>
Subject Re: Looking for community development stories
Date Wed, 22 Jan 2020 04:41:43 GMT
I've done a bit of evangelism on this topic: (Apache@Google summit. You were
there, but here's a vid)

My favorite highlights (maybe from the above but not sure if I said it
explicitly; I'm making them up without re-reading or re-watching)

 - code reviews are a chance to build community (and make friends ?!?)
 - inclusion of non-code contributions critical and needs highlighting
because it isn't highlighted by default
 - transparency of PMC expectations makes the project more self-serve /
empowers contributors
 - focusing PMC discussions on individuals and the above expectations
increases fairness and clarity
 - encouragement emails have an impact
 - committers stay engaged (after team/job changes)

My phrasing in the blog post was misconstrued by some popular press as a
presentation of a problem, when I meant to be celebrating some success. So
adjust if you use any of it :-)

Beam entered incubation as a Google donation and has grown to be much more
than that. The balance isn't perfect, but it is better, so I think it is a
success story so far.

Having followed a number of Apache dev lists and mentoring a couple
still-incubating projects, I would simply emphasize use of the dev@ list
for public development discussion/decisions. The people in these projects
are smart, so they understand the formality expectations when you say "use
the dev@ list" and yet they just don't do it. Why? Mental models, culture,
efficiency, incentives? A whole talk on why it is actually important, and
not just an ASF habit of yesteryear would go a long way, for both podlings
and TLPs that I have followed.


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:30 PM Craig Russell <> wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm working on a presentation to the Huawei Developer Conference in
> Shenzhen February 11 on the subject of "Growing Communities The Apache Way".
> I'd like to share with the audience some stories of Apache Projects that
> have grown their communities, either in the incubator or after becoming a
> top level project.
> What I'd like is some facts to discuss, e.g. community makeup before
> entering incubator, community exiting incubator, any special actions done
> by the community to encourage growth, etc. With some details, I can share
> the projects' successes with the developers at the conference.
> Any help is very appreciated. I'll need any input by Friday January 31 (10
> days from now; a day before FOSDEM).
> Thanks,
> Craig
> Craig L Russell
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