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From Justin Mclean <justinmcl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 00:43:11 GMT
Hi,
As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a
vote.
Thanks,
Justin

On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:

> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go
> > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that
> the
> > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect.
> >
> > Just a thought,
> > -Alex
> >
> > ´╗┐On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Very well said.
> >
> >     I am optimistic.
> >
> >     On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <spudaneco@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     >
> >     > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the
> > incubator, and
> >     > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> > demonstrate
> >     > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow
> > the
> >     > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence.
> >     > >
> >     > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the
> > project,
> >     > but in a different role.
> >     >
> >     > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this
> >     > discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my
> > intention to
> >     > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in
> > the
> >     > Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial
> >     > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
> fulfillment
> > of
> >     > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on all
> > decisions
> >     > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
> opinion
> >     > about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be,
> > however.
> >     >
> >     > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others
> to
> >     > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me
> > as on
> >     > vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay out of
> the
> >     > way as much as possible.
> >     >
> >     > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this.
> >     > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.  Yes,
> > the
> >     > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood,
> > sweat,
> >     > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours.
> >     > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role
> >     > because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did everything.  I
> >     > still do.
> >     >
> >     > There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload has
> > gotten
> >     > to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around 60-100
> > changes
> >     > per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more than I
> > can
> >     > do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to solve
> > that
> >     > is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The second,
> > and
> >     > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old
> > now.
> >     > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this
> > project
> >     > long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I really
> > need
> >     > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not
> >     > depend on me in any way.
> >     >
> >     > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but
> > rather
> >     > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I am
> > prepared
> >     > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.  But I
> > have
> >     > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean
> >     > knife-edge hand-off.
> >     >
> >     > Greg
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
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