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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:15:13 GMT
Jumping,

It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a
new day job would make me much less than a good mentor.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:

> Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
> Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
> volunteer here.
> Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure it
> follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Junping
>
> Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com>于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道:
>
> > Hi,
> > As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a
> > vote.
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> > > on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to
> go
> > > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that
> that
> > > the
> > > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect.
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought,
> > > > -Alex
> > > >
> > > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     Very well said.
> > > >
> > > >     I am optimistic.
> > > >
> > > >     On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <spudaneco@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     >
> > > >     > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the
> > > > incubator, and
> > > >     > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> > > > demonstrate
> > > >     > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and
> > allow
> > > > the
> > > >     > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence.
> > > >     > >
> > > >     > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work
on
> the
> > > > project,
> > > >     > but in a different role.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with
> > this
> > > >     > discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my
> > > > intention to
> > > >     > divest myself of total authority over the project just as
> stated
> > in
> > > > the
> > > >     > Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the
> initial
> > > >     > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
> > > fulfillment
> > > > of
> > > >     > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on all
> > > > decisions
> > > >     > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
> > > opinion
> > > >     > about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be,
> > > > however.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > I will be available as needed for information needed by the
> > others
> > > to
> > > >     > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider
> > me
> > > > as on
> > > >     > vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay out
> of
> > > the
> > > >     > way as much as possible.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in
> > this.
> > > >     > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.
> > Yes,
> > > > the
> > > >     > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of
> blood,
> > > > sweat,
> > > >     > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long
> > hours.
> > > >     > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past
> > role
> > > >     > because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did
> > everything.  I
> > > >     > still do.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload has
> > > > gotten
> > > >     > to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around 60-100
> > > > changes
> > > >     > per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more
> than
> > I
> > > > can
> > > >     > do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to
> > solve
> > > > that
> > > >     > is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The
> > second,
> > > > and
> > > >     > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years
> old
> > > > now.
> > > >     > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this
> > > > project
> > > >     > long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I
> > really
> > > > need
> > > >     > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does
> > not
> > > >     > depend on me in any way.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but
> > > > rather
> > > >     > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I am
> > > > prepared
> > > >     > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.
> But I
> > > > have
> > > >     > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a
> clean
> > > >     > knife-edge hand-off.
> > > >     >
> > > >     > Greg
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
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