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From 俊平堵 <junping...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:19:52 GMT
Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted.
Any other volunteers?

Thanks,

Junping

Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道:

> Jumping,
>
> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a
> new day job would make me much less than a good mentor.
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
> > Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
> > volunteer here.
> > Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure
> it
> > follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Junping
> >
> > Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com>于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call
> for a
> > > vote.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> > > > on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks
> to
> > go
> > > > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL
> effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought,
> > > > > -Alex
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     Very well said.
> > > > >
> > > > >     I am optimistic.
> > > > >
> > > > >     On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <
> spudaneco@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering
the
> > > > > incubator, and
> > > > >     > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> > > > > demonstrate
> > > > >     > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back
and
> > > allow
> > > > > the
> > > > >     > project to move forward without the founder's undue
> influence.
> > > > >     > >
> > > > >     > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to
work on
> > the
> > > > > project,
> > > > >     > but in a different role.
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved
> with
> > > this
> > > > >     > discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is
my
> > > > > intention to
> > > > >     > divest myself of total authority over the project just as
> > stated
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > >     > Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the
> > initial
> > > > >     > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
> > > > fulfillment
> > > > > of
> > > > >     > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0
on
> all
> > > > > decisions
> > > > >     > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
> > > > opinion
> > > > >     > about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might
be,
> > > > > however.
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > I will be available as needed for information needed by
the
> > > others
> > > > to
> > > > >     > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just
> consider
> > > me
> > > > > as on
> > > > >     > vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay
> out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > >     > way as much as possible.
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations
in
> > > this.
> > > > >     > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.
> > > Yes,
> > > > > the
> > > > >     > project is very dear to me and the result of many years
of
> > blood,
> > > > > sweat,
> > > > >     > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy
long
> > > hours.
> > > > >     > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my
> past
> > > role
> > > > >     > because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did
> > > everything.  I
> > > > >     > still do.
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload
> has
> > > > > gotten
> > > > >     > to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around
> 60-100
> > > > > changes
> > > > >     > per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more
> > than
> > > I
> > > > > can
> > > > >     > do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way
to
> > > solve
> > > > > that
> > > > >     > is to open the project up to others working as equals. 
The
> > > second,
> > > > > and
> > > > >     > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70
years
> > old
> > > > > now.
> > > > >     > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control
> this
> > > > > project
> > > > >     > long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity,
I
> > > really
> > > > > need
> > > > >     > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that
> does
> > > not
> > > > >     > depend on me in any way.
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be
me,
> but
> > > > > rather
> > > > >     > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.
 I
> am
> > > > > prepared
> > > > >     > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.
> > But I
> > > > > have
> > > > >     > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for
a
> > clean
> > > > >     > knife-edge hand-off.
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     > Greg
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     >
> > > > >     >
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