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From 俊平堵 <junping...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 00:56:27 GMT
Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
volunteer here.
Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure it
follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)

Thanks,

Junping

Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com>于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道:

> Hi,
> As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for a
> vote.
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> > on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go
> > > "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that
> > the
> > > founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect.
> > >
> > > Just a thought,
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Very well said.
> > >
> > >     I am optimistic.
> > >
> > >     On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <spudaneco@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >     >
> > >     > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the
> > > incubator, and
> > >     > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> > > demonstrate
> > >     > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and
> allow
> > > the
> > >     > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence.
> > >     > >
> > >     > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the
> > > project,
> > >     > but in a different role.
> > >     >
> > >     > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with
> this
> > >     > discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my
> > > intention to
> > >     > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated
> in
> > > the
> > >     > Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial
> > >     > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
> > fulfillment
> > > of
> > >     > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on all
> > > decisions
> > >     > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
> > opinion
> > >     > about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be,
> > > however.
> > >     >
> > >     > I will be available as needed for information needed by the
> others
> > to
> > >     > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider
> me
> > > as on
> > >     > vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay out of
> > the
> > >     > way as much as possible.
> > >     >
> > >     > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in
> this.
> > >     > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.
> Yes,
> > > the
> > >     > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood,
> > > sweat,
> > >     > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long
> hours.
> > >     > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past
> role
> > >     > because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did
> everything.  I
> > >     > still do.
> > >     >
> > >     > There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload has
> > > gotten
> > >     > to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around 60-100
> > > changes
> > >     > per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more than
> I
> > > can
> > >     > do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to
> solve
> > > that
> > >     > is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The
> second,
> > > and
> > >     > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old
> > > now.
> > >     > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this
> > > project
> > >     > long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I
> really
> > > need
> > >     > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does
> not
> > >     > depend on me in any way.
> > >     >
> > >     > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but
> > > rather
> > >     > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I am
> > > prepared
> > >     > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.  But I
> > > have
> > >     > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean
> > >     > knife-edge hand-off.
> > >     >
> > >     > Greg
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
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