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From 俊平堵 <junping...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:26:53 GMT
I see. Thanks Dave for update.

Thanks,

Junping

Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net> 于2019年12月3日周二 下午2:05写道:

> Hi Junping,
>
> I’m currently mentoring five podlings which is probably two more than I
> should since I’ve joined the board.
>
> Also, I’m interested in the OSSBot project...
>
> Good luck with NuttX!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 2, 2019, at 4:57 PM, 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
> > Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
> > volunteer here.
> > Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure
> it
> > follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Junping
> >
> > Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com>于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call for
> a
> >> vote.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Justin
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> >>> on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to
> go
> >>>> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that
> >>> the
> >>>> founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a thought,
> >>>> -Alex
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    Very well said.
> >>>>
> >>>>    I am optimistic.
> >>>>
> >>>>    On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <spudaneco@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This is a good discussion to have had before entering the
> >>>> incubator, and
> >>>>> I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> >>>> demonstrate
> >>>>> during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and
> >> allow
> >>>> the
> >>>>> project to move forward without the founder's undue influence.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the
> >>>> project,
> >>>>> but in a different role.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with
> >> this
> >>>>> discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my
> >>>> intention to
> >>>>> divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated
> >> in
> >>>> the
> >>>>> Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial
> >>>>> formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
> >>> fulfillment
> >>>> of
> >>>>> Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on all
> >>>> decisions
> >>>>> before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
> >>> opinion
> >>>>> about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be,
> >>>> however.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will be available as needed for information needed by the
> >> others
> >>> to
> >>>>> accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider
> >> me
> >>>> as on
> >>>>> vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay out of
> >>> the
> >>>>> way as much as possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in
> >> this.
> >>>>> Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.
> >> Yes,
> >>>> the
> >>>>> project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood,
> >>>> sweat,
> >>>>> and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long
> >> hours.
> >>>>> Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past
> >> role
> >>>>> because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did
> >> everything.  I
> >>>>> still do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload has
> >>>> gotten
> >>>>> to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around 60-100
> >>>> changes
> >>>>> per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more than
> >> I
> >>>> can
> >>>>> do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to
> >> solve
> >>>> that
> >>>>> is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The
> >> second,
> >>>> and
> >>>>> more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old
> >>>> now.
> >>>>> I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this
> >>>> project
> >>>>> long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I
> >> really
> >>>> need
> >>>>> to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does
> >> not
> >>>>> depend on me in any way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but
> >>>> rather
> >>>>> the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I am
> >>>> prepared
> >>>>> for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.  But
I
> >>>> have
> >>>>> come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean
> >>>>> knife-edge hand-off.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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