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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:39:05 GMT
I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
on-board. Let them get their stuff done.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:

> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go
> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that the
> founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL effect.
>
> Just a thought,
> -Alex
>
> ´╗┐On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Very well said.
>
>     I am optimistic.
>
>     On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <spudaneco@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>     >
>     > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the
> incubator, and
>     > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> demonstrate
>     > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow
> the
>     > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence.
>     > >
>     > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the
> project,
>     > but in a different role.
>     >
>     > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this
>     > discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my
> intention to
>     > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in
> the
>     > Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial
>     > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial fulfillment
> of
>     > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on all
> decisions
>     > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong opinion
>     > about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be,
> however.
>     >
>     > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others to
>     > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me
> as on
>     > vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay out of the
>     > way as much as possible.
>     >
>     > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this.
>     > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.  Yes,
> the
>     > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood,
> sweat,
>     > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours.
>     > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role
>     > because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did everything.  I
>     > still do.
>     >
>     > There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload has
> gotten
>     > to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around 60-100
> changes
>     > per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more than I
> can
>     > do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to solve
> that
>     > is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The second,
> and
>     > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old
> now.
>     > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this
> project
>     > long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I really
> need
>     > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not
>     > depend on me in any way.
>     >
>     > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but
> rather
>     > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I am
> prepared
>     > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.  But I
> have
>     > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean
>     > knife-edge hand-off.
>     >
>     > Greg
>     >
>     >
>     >
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