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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:23:34 GMT
Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks to go "live amongst" the
NuttX folks where they are now and verify that that the founder's authority and reputation
will not result in a BDFL effect.

Just a thought,
-Alex

´╗┐On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

    Very well said.
    
    I am optimistic.
    
    On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <spudaneco@gmail.com> wrote:
    
    >
    > > This is a good discussion to have had before entering the incubator, and
    > I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can demonstrate
    > during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and allow the
    > project to move forward without the founder's undue influence.
    > >
    > > Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on the project,
    > but in a different role.
    >
    > I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved with this
    > discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my intention to
    > divest myself of total authority over the project just as stated in the
    > Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the initial
    > formation of the project as much as possible, in partial fulfillment of
    > Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on all decisions
    > before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong opinion
    > about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be, however.
    >
    > I will be available as needed for information needed by the others to
    > accomplish this transition but for the most part, just consider me as on
    > vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay out of the
    > way as much as possible.
    >
    > I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in this.
    > Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.  Yes, the
    > project is very dear to me and the result of many years of blood, sweat,
    > and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long hours.
    > Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my past role
    > because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did everything.  I
    > still do.
    >
    > There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload has gotten
    > to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around 60-100 changes
    > per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more than I can
    > do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to solve that
    > is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The second, and
    > more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years old now.
    > I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control this project
    > long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I really need
    > to detach and let the project take a life of its own that does not
    > depend on me in any way.
    >
    > I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me, but rather
    > the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I am prepared
    > for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.  But I have
    > come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a clean
    > knife-edge hand-off.
    >
    > Greg
    >
    >
    >
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