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From Flavio Junqueira <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:28:22 GMT
Hi Junping,

I'd like to volunteer.

-Flavio

> On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:19, 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted.
> Any other volunteers?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Junping
> 
> Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道:
> 
>> Jumping,
>> 
>> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a
>> new day job would make me much less than a good mentor.
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
>>> Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
>>> volunteer here.
>>> Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make sure
>> it
>>> follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Junping
>>> 
>>> Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com>于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call
>> for a
>>>> vote.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
>>>>> on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF folks
>> to
>>> go
>>>>>> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify that
>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>>> founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL
>> effect.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just a thought,
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Very well said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    I am optimistic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <
>> spudaneco@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is a good discussion to have had before entering the
>>>>>> incubator, and
>>>>>>> I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
>>>>>> demonstrate
>>>>>>> during incubation that the founder will in fact step back and
>>>> allow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> project to move forward without the founder's undue
>> influence.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work on
>>> the
>>>>>> project,
>>>>>>> but in a different role.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved
>> with
>>>> this
>>>>>>> discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is my
>>>>>> intention to
>>>>>>> divest myself of total authority over the project just as
>>> stated
>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the
>>> initial
>>>>>>> formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
>>>>> fulfillment
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0 on
>> all
>>>>>> decisions
>>>>>>> before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
>>>>> opinion
>>>>>>> about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might be,
>>>>>> however.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will be available as needed for information needed by the
>>>> others
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> accomplish this transition but for the most part, just
>> consider
>>>> me
>>>>>> as on
>>>>>>> vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay
>> out
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> way as much as possible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations in
>>>> this.
>>>>>>> Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.
>>>> Yes,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> project is very dear to me and the result of many years of
>>> blood,
>>>>>> sweat,
>>>>>>> and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy long
>>>> hours.
>>>>>>> Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my
>> past
>>>> role
>>>>>>> because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did
>>>> everything.  I
>>>>>>> still do.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload
>> has
>>>>>> gotten
>>>>>>> to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around
>> 60-100
>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>> per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more
>>> than
>>>> I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way to
>>>> solve
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is to open the project up to others working as equals.  The
>>>> second,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70 years
>>> old
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>> I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control
>> this
>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity, I
>>>> really
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to detach and let the project take a life of its own that
>> does
>>>> not
>>>>>>> depend on me in any way.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be me,
>> but
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.  I
>> am
>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>> for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.
>>> But I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for a
>>> clean
>>>>>>> knife-edge hand-off.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 


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