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From 申远 <shenyua...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Sat, 02 Nov 2019 16:36:49 GMT
Hi, Dave and Justin.

Thanks to both of you, I‘m really appreciated your help.

Just have a nice conversation with Dave, I think Weex still needs to be in
the Incubator for some time.

I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should
> be to complete a Podling Name Search -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
>

I will do it and discuss it in another mailing list, as this list is too
long already.

At ApacheCon Shane gavse a version of this talk which also may help:
> http://shaneslides.com/fossbackstage/Who-Owns-That-FOSS-Brand.pdf
>

Thanks, Justin, this talk really taught me something, I really wish I could
read it years before.

Best Regards
York Shen

申远

Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>于2019年11月1日 周五11:28写道:

> Hi YorkShen,
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:33 AM, 申远 <shenyuancs@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Justin.
> >
> > After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
> > vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
> > little hurry.
> >
> > I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have
> some
> > points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
> >
> > For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see
> what I
> > can do to make things better.
>
> I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should
> be to complete a Podling Name Search -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
>
> An issue is created here -
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH>
>
> Someone on the Podling needs to do the research which should reveal any
> conflicts. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. It may be that some
> of these issues may require discussion about brand risk. Until the research
> is complete it is hard to know.
>
> The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without the brand name being
> approved by the VP, Brand.
>
> >
> > Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
>
> These are the two. They are important. You are to be congratulated for
> overcoming the LGPL issue!
> >
> > FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
> > help.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <0989132858wyk@gmail.com>
于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道:
> >
> >> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <shenyuancs@gmail.com>
เขียนว่า
> >>
> >>> FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
> >> secretary
> >>> to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
> >> entered
> >>> the Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> YorkShen
> >>>
> >>> 申远
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <0989132858wyk@gmail.com>
于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道:
> >>>
> >>>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <shenyuancs@gmail.com>
เขียนว่า
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their
own
> >>>>> company.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project
like
> >>>>> Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their
name
> >>> to
> >>>>> "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
see
> >>> not
> >>>>>> contributing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> >>>> whimsy.
> >>>>> For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> >>>>> committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute,
of
> >>>>> course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
> >> developer
> >>>>> list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
> >> it
> >>>>> into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> >>>> [3].
> >>>>> I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer
in
> >>>> fact.
> >>>>> But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about
that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> >>>>> fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> >>>>> 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [3]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> >>>>> bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> YorkShen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 申远
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三
下午7:32写道:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> >>>>> independent
> >>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and
it
> >> takes
> >>>> me
> >>>>>>> months to solve this kinds of issues
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those
links
> >>> on
> >>>>>> purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
> >> needs
> >>> to
> >>>>>> protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
> >> proposal
> >>>>> [5],
> >>>>>>>   but many of them are not committers today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean
they
> >> see
> >>>> not
> >>>>>> contributing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> >>>>> records,
> >>>>>>> there are some mistakes on this list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This seems concerning.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   - There are developers out of the comany make their own
tools
> >>>> around
> >>>>>>>   Weex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
> >>> barriers
> >>>>> (if
> >>>>>> any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
> >>> project?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Justin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> --
Best Regards
York Shen
申远

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