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[71.185.215.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g28sm3985907qte.46.2019.08.12.17.11.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking From: "P. Taylor Goetz" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16F203) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <43712B5E-92B5-4E54-AE27-433330EA9EFA@classsoftware.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org I posted the following in a private@ thread: Traditionally ASF membership + expressed interest has been the main path to t= he IPMC. Honestly, I think =E2=80=9Csomeone who has significantly helped a p= roject navigate incubation through to successful graduation=E2=80=9D holds a= t least as much merit as ASF membership.=20 There=E2=80=99s the added benefit of recent experience. My experience with t= he incubator 5-6 years ago is likely different than what podlings experience= today. The core values haven=E2=80=99t changed, but some processes have.=20= That is where I see new blood brings value. =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 I see value in lowing the bar for entry to the IPMC. I also see value in all= owing interested Members to auto-join. Default to inclusivity. -Taylor > On Aug 12, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >>> I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the >>> IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on >>> private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. =E2= =80=A6 >>=20 >> Which is also the same for any project who votes in a ASF member as a >> committer or PMC member. >>=20 >=20 > I would counter that any project which creates such a bar for ASF Members > may be doing it Wrong :) >=20 > (this goes into my general feeling that projects generally need to lower > their bars, and become more inclusive) >=20 > Cheers, > -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org