From general-return-70437-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Aug 12 14:44:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A2E9191A9 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 35310 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2019 14:44:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 35135 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2019 14:44:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 35118 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2019 14:44:55 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:44:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 705A21829D5 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:44:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.801 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-ec2-va.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTt8elxF-TKI for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.222.174; helo=mail-qk1-f174.google.com; envelope-from=ted.dunning@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) by mx1-ec2-va.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-ec2-va.apache.org) with ESMTPS id F19EABC93B for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id u190so13447066qkh.5 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lsK55dxHixvU1FPGYqssNMv7CCvdhPMMi9ypvYZE0pE=; b=GeyBlmNVvimWfAYIyLkEydBe4ulZV6PctoTiVVgAQRP3NWirz/jVGTrg8p/uUshQ7D MlaxAyJ9zKa+cOfv1Lzg3aeXhn8aTyRu6cdKRWFZ1btk7n1DORlVvdugca6eKfP6L/vp E3NRCKFrrI2GNwMUxphkvcnWla82fZt7UDmSRIQkaLyU+WlefAw+e9B2RJlxhpErthEL 8nG+sZPqz9EqDlOFPqkSX6DtM8G6Cjr6TGvuDTz2RrPmDKy/2wGNLoZX16ImmdppWGsr +cdwa43/3tbuobyUtAI2dMDP+d+/p84KwxJ635q+hgh4aEwcBiDwKro1BNjWF4MhhFl3 3Piw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=lsK55dxHixvU1FPGYqssNMv7CCvdhPMMi9ypvYZE0pE=; b=oUrrezHUHr/niIbU+k75lUJnesdPpbFO+o+k8npZnUG8W21gbsQWq9hHXNJUOfHllc eZr9BDFUpKaiQfbKdBL3nAWe7VarvO1x7GPdp1hYBdVQyWWlEMLpt+xpxn4nEgD4UqHY O874zW/XoXumh+9ztgMb9V86wt8buVBtXvDAj+AcgFKMbSuU4D8s/PB+RdBaget35ILf 3Qo0WBf6Xpz6jsTXJvsS/amEEoQcmngA5FcTyTcAEEcjRuoCC8paumrtmIVtG++NTQ66 Qr7vxz7XK6FKMu32fyapEgtyP6h2UhWWUSyu6hO+bcGYX11FK0xtV7OnkDUUnZgSTBLO sOrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVCdoosAXlZEJersT0+dzwMgN36iKz39O58j0s8MT1uPWB7mrv4 5JKEK2bMHlr5lbYZgtdQFxAlNAqm2u2Mj+5v3IK12Hk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyV4IHSIKzv6ZrWp/jeozShCr/iS9lAD9Qnr/LpRBSikGqz8afCRoK78Q8ikVDi478RS6Av3JIzGxw5aVKez9o= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1387:: with SMTP id k7mr30358981qki.129.1565621091163; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:44:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3C4D6C3E-F6CE-4B10-A7C0-5FB14DAA490F@classsoftware.com> <968755CF-B4AD-4F17-819A-D5513D74AD46@classsoftware.com> <8FA12C68-A1BC-439E-84D7-CD9C2E7FD9FB@classsoftware.com> <5C2DBCA9-41B8-45AA-8C60-9393514DAAE1@jaguNET.com> In-Reply-To: <5C2DBCA9-41B8-45AA-8C60-9393514DAAE1@jaguNET.com> From: Ted Dunning Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:44:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases) To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fdf03d058fec903d" --000000000000fdf03d058fec903d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: > ... > This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as > PMC chairs are the "eyes and ears of the board", mentors are the "eyes and > ears of the IPMC". The IPMC "vote" should be little more than a formality. > IMO, if mentors are IPMC members, and there are at least 3 binding votes on > the podling list, and the mentors are acting as IPMC members when they > vote, then any other additional vote in the IPMC is not required... in > essence, consider it like extending the vote for a lazy consensus, so to > speak: > > > "The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and > pointers here). We have 3 (or more) binding votes from mentors. We are > giving the IPMC and additional 72 hours to vote on said release." > This is good in theory, but as Justin has pointed out, 90% of podling releases don't have enough mentor votes to follow this path. The 10% that do have enough votes can easily follow this process. --000000000000fdf03d058fec903d--