From general-return-70419-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat Aug 10 15:13:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45CE019DB2 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13317 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2019 15:13:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 13033 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2019 15:13:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 13021 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2019 15:13:15 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 9C162C22B0 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:13:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.801 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-ec2-va.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rEbENUnAVNcq for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.210.67; helo=mail-ot1-f67.google.com; envelope-from=boards@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-ot1-f67.google.com (mail-ot1-f67.google.com [209.85.210.67]) by mx1-ec2-va.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-ec2-va.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 3B228BC7E2 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-f67.google.com with SMTP id d17so144138929oth.5 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 08:13:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Y7IRWHNOVu2Gx0+NuNP26e2VYZO8BZnfhtoo0BFmJtk=; b=sSHXK6c8reUPGazzHcMZ3Zygs1i281jcmzcJX+hCXVc+v+iXdZ+qjZd07Zp7XZ6q55 tf3Gxeg2TLwkIgMJTiWRI48Z4Hee74aRAK3wd4KXw/7QP56vsQaOmFg9BdLa3au9Q7S6 jI70riQkNca+z6JwYj4qPGZn9dsYYqmdeBESvMSNSvxzKkn+Nrhg9VZV7baUGHFttJcR U5SlZPuIVdKp2MY38u7cKcXPJOwWFP9BIEGqu0ge7in5dMer3s/ARud7n7ORwUxbCAXA TK4yrhKBWAW64+TrprvRjvBHRl71rcwdMKgXJqNvFK7NDeVT8wvMU78sDlH7QNmdYnSZ ZeSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Y7IRWHNOVu2Gx0+NuNP26e2VYZO8BZnfhtoo0BFmJtk=; b=k+jPEL6sh/G8cN2JDbvTU5GSInR4ViDH8g6Jz9848Z/MPgQ9QEOvFswKVkTVnx2HPr +f37xgEz3OcFGzdrR7UfKn/xAQ0HikeiqFvy9Sducr/AnvC2ArDovZtY4PwXNT4Mj8Yu iwuzYY75gkWtxCQTGJ6vah76XiVfVLwdz6vXBkd+KKDQuB0J34xYmRv1/hYekALasX6u b9hNFhgdawlwYDWZ3KQQzR7VBknUE3C769S7thRdqWD+7eOMX7FYjJV/mgct+T0fSVPB G6KtTdE1jO2CArHSrzG5gmTmrzPHY0GyxQGsBs6uZ43wHb9ttbuXfjixzz+0Y/JKb0jG vDXA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXW0d0DkSwr6aY5UR4yj2RgKpQGx4aow8saHwPb7wQilPgp+uvm nQ3DydMCVm/HF+dm3q+NDPBW1zWZaXuFOj0BoshURQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxSwZk/7liqmV6QsqYvBtx8YG1I8veQ5VXiSQuF5AHWVM/2p4dZ51zKxPZLpN923RWVTUoAz3wDvZb2uCmsl64= X-Received: by 2002:a02:ba99:: with SMTP id g25mr6098627jao.20.1565449991006; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35D58043-3CB7-4FFF-8C47-D5C89C43BECB@mesatee.org> <05C4E906-F736-444C-91E0-4964F86118BB@classsoftware.com> In-Reply-To: From: Matt Sicker Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Incubation Proposal of MesaTEE To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a0ad78058fc4ba79" --000000000000a0ad78058fc4ba79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99d most likely be interested in mentoring this project, but I=E2= =80=99m not that experienced in incubator mentorship. If we have another more experienced mentor to work with us, I=E2=80=99d be happy to mentor as well. On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 04:13, Mingshen Sun wrote: > Thanks Justin, regarding to your questions: > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 2:46 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for the proposal, it sound like a really interesting project. > > > > > =3D=3D Core Developers =3D=3D > > > > > > Current core developers work at Baidu. We are confident that > incubation will > > > help us grow a diverse community in an open and collaborative way. > > > > > > The risk of abandonment of MesaTEE is low. MesaTEE has been incubated > at Baidu > > > for over two years. Baidu is committed to the further development of > the project > > > and will keep investing resources towards the Apache processes and > community > > > building, during the incubation period. > > > > Incubation can sometimes take 2 years or more. Given few people with > experience at Apache are involved with this project and the core develope= rs > are from one company, it may take longer that indicated in this proposal. > > We understand the incubation could take 2 years or more. Recently, we > have already received some pull requests from third-parties. > Therefore, during the incubation period, we will try to > attract/involved engineers from other companies as constant > committers. > > > > > > =3D=3D Continuous Integration Service =3D=3D > > > > > > MesaTEE currently uses self-hosted continuous integration (CI) servic= e > which can > > > help developers to automatically test commits. The CI service involve= s > several > > > nodes which support Intel SGX. We would like to continue doing so. > > > > This may not be possible, what would the project do if that was the > case? Have you discussed this with your proposed mentors or infra? > > About the CI infrastructure, actually, the "self-hosted CI" is not our > internal infra, we are using a open source CI service (Drone CI) with > our servers/NUC with SGX supported. To answer your questions, we have > several solutions: > - we can use simulation mode for basic CI testing (by using existing > infra in Apache for example). And before merging a pull request, full > testing on a SGX supported machine is required > - donating our SGX machines for CI services to Apache is another > option we may consider, but this should be further discussed > > > > * Zhijie Shen > > > > Is not currently an IPMC member, only IPMC members can officially be > mentors. > > > > Of the three mentors listed 2 have never been mentors to my knowledge, > have they been involved with any other projects going through the > incubating process at Apache? The third mentor may be a little overextend= ed > given the number of podlings they mentors. Having only one experienced > mentor may be a risk to the project. What will you do if your mentors go > missing or unable to help? > > I have talked with Zhijie Shen. He is very interested in helping us. > Currently, he is a member of incubator and can apply for IPMC. In > addition to Zhijie Shen, Jianyong Dai, and Luciano Resende, Furkan > Kamaci also volunteered to become one of our mentors after posting > this proposal in the mailing list. We understand this is a large > project and need experienced mentors. We are very open to include more > mentors who are interested in the project. > > - > Mingshen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > -- Matt Sicker --000000000000a0ad78058fc4ba79--