From general-return-70518-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Aug 14 05:19:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7DC619B26 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 72247 invoked by uid 500); 14 Aug 2019 05:19:17 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71920 invoked by uid 500); 14 Aug 2019 05:19:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71909 invoked by uid 99); 14 Aug 2019 05:19:16 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) (10.10.3.159) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:19:16 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.142] (c-76-103-41-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.103.41.34]) by mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 3279A84FD for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:19:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Dave Fisher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:19:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases) Message-Id: <2579F2BA-511E-4A68-8B58-E665DF54FB6B@comcast.net> References: <3C4D6C3E-F6CE-4B10-A7C0-5FB14DAA490F@classsoftware.com> <968755CF-B4AD-4F17-819A-D5513D74AD46@classsoftware.com> <8FA12C68-A1BC-439E-84D7-CD9C2E7FD9FB@classsoftware.com> <5C2DBCA9-41B8-45AA-8C60-9393514DAAE1@jaguNET.com> <9474D0E4-E8C5-4E8A-BFAD-CF44B6CA9BF2@jaguNET.com> <07694C5A-7A78-4DCC-8010-D3AFB0C40851@apache.org> <465B7BAD-AC60-4256-9E05-8A95CA731DC8@apache.org> <33485EC9-6717-4F34-BB38-73958AA437D5@classsoftware.com> In-Reply-To: To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G77) Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:32 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:17 PM Justin Mclean > wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >>> Hoops constructed by the IPMC. Like a secondary release vote on general@= >>=20 >> This is because of ASF bylaws i.e only PMC votes are binding on releases.= >=20 >=20 > That is not in the Bylaws. Stop making stuff up. >=20 >=20 >> So you're saying implementations of ASF bylaws are "arbitrarily defined >> hoops=E2=80=9D? >=20 >=20 > See above. >=20 >=20 >> There could be other ways of dealing with this bylaw that have been >> suggested, >=20 >=20 > What bylaw? Got a reference? >=20 >=20 >> for example treating podling releases not as official Apache releases. >=20 >=20 > That is the origin of this thread, because you only ever pose > hypotheticals. You only pose "could" possibilities. But you *never* move > things to conclusion. So this thread is an attempt to do so. >=20 > Your "could" emails on this thread is antithetical to its origin. >=20 >=20 >> But that also has implications and concerns, which I=E2=80=99m not seeing= being >> addressed in this discussion. >>=20 >=20 > Then help drive it, rather than take a back seat. Drive a decision. >=20 > Q: Does the IPMC want to produce non-ASF releases? >=20 > -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org