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From Justin Mclean <>
Subject Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)
Date Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:23:48 GMT

>> This is because of ASF bylaws i.e only PMC votes are binding on releases.
> That is not in the Bylaws. Stop making stuff up.

That the way it’s been explained to me, several times, by experienced ASF people, that only
PMC votes are binding on releases and podlings are not mentioned in the ASF bylaws. Bylaw
wise see section 6.3.  But you're right, it would be more precise to say, it's a combination
of 6.3 of the bylaws of the ASF and the ASF's policy on voting on releases. [1]

> That is the origin of this thread, because you only ever pose
> hypotheticals. You only pose "could" possibilities. But you *never* move
> things to conclusion.

I’ve done far more than just propose possibilities. If that is not evident on this list
I suggest you read the last dozen incubator board reports for evidence. Is it just that’s
the conclusion is not what you want or is it that it moving slower than you would like? Consensus
in the IPMC is sometimes hard to reach, but don’t you think is worth trying to do that and
engage in dialogue, rather than talking what seems on face value to me a rather combative



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