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From Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking
Date Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:09:21 GMT
Yep, that is definitely a good one. I joined their mailing list a couple of
weeks ago and have been chatting with Lee on it, after he mentioned on the
Druid list that he could use some help.

(Apologies for the digression btw)

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:10 PM Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks, Gian. I bet you’re familiar with DataSketches (as it has
> ancestry/people in common with Druid) and I recall that recently they
> needed more mentors.
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Gian Merlino <gian@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in
> > mentoring other podlings after Druid graduates. Julian has been very
> > helpful to us while we've been incubating and I'd like to pay it forward.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:12 AM Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I don’t have a strong opinion on the subject of this thread - whether it
> >> should be easy for ASF members to join the IPMC - but I have a strong
> >> opinion about a related matter - namely, how easy it should be for
> non-ASF
> >> members to join the IPMC.
> >>
> >> The IPMC should be actively recruiting members of recently-graduated
> >> projects to serve as mentors of the next generation of podlings.
> >>
> >> I bet quite a few people people think that you have to be an ASF member
> to
> >> be on the IPMC or mentor a project. And we certainly give the impression
> >> that ASF members make the best mentors. But I claim that people who have
> >> just been through the incubation process also make excellent mentors.
> They
> >> have experienced the pain, and they know the answers to many of the IT-
> and
> >> process-related questions because they have just solved them.
> >>
> >> Like Sheng, I joined the IPMC before I was a member. The project I
> >> founded, Calcite, was close to graduating and I was active on general@
> >> because being a podling is hard and raises many questions. Some other
> >> podlings were entering incubation and someone (I think Ted Dunning or
> Alan
> >> Gates) asked me to be a mentor. From that, I was drawn into other Apache
> >> projects, saw the broader Apache community, and was drawn into the
> worthy
> >> task of helping to govern the Foundation. For me, serving as a mentor
> was a
> >> way of saying ’thank you’ for the help I had received from mentors
> during
> >> incubation. And for the IPMC, it provided an active and engaged mentor,
> >> always a scarce resource.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:29 PM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> My Apache journey started at Incubator, and as IPMC now(not asf
> member).
> >> I
> >>> noticed this requirement too.
> >>>
> >>> From the members I known personally, most indeed know Apache way very
> >> well.
> >>> And truely there is exception.
> >>>
> >>> Basically, I think removing this makes sense.
> >>>
> >>> 1. if this member has been incubator journey, such as being initial
> >>> committer of a podling, it is easy to know and should have taken part
> in
> >>> incubator ml much.
> >>>
> >>> 2. there are indeed asf members elected by other reasons, so, they are
> >> not
> >>> familiar w/ incubator, and need more time to learn too. Apache has so
> >> many
> >>> TLPs and ways to take part in, a member is not required used to be
> >>> incubator.
> >>>
> >>> My +1 on IPMC should have enough incubator experiences.
> >>>
> >>> Also, very open to know the history reason of this.
> >>>
> >>> Sheng
> >>>
> >>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>于2019年8月9日 周五下午1:04写道:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I
> assume
> >>>> this was put in place for two reasons: ( but don’t know the full
> history
> >>>> behind it)
> >>>> - There was a lack of mentors.
> >>>> - Is is assumed that if you are an ASF member you know enough about
> the
> >>>> Apache Way to mentor a project.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m not sure if this is the case anymore. And while the mentor
> situation
> >>>> has improved I don’t think the above has solved the problem of having
> >>>> active members or mentors having the required knowledge and skills
> they
> >>>> need.
> >>>>
> >>>> So if you want to be a IPMC member and mentor a project then I think
> you
> >>>> need you have gone through the full incubation process yourself and/or
> >> help
> >>>> out with other incubator duties and get voted in as an IPMC member.
> Just
> >>>> like every other ASF project.
> >>>>
> >>>> What do other people think?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Justin
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>> Sheng Wu
> >>> SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin
> >>
> >>
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