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From Kenneth Knowles <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking
Date Tue, 13 Aug 2019 01:26:58 GMT
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:26 PM Justin Mclean <>

> Hi,
> > I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> > IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> > private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …

> Which is also the same for any project who votes in a ASF member as a
> committer or PMC member.

> A vote in front a person is never going to be Fair. There is a natural
> > misgiving to speak out against a person, to their face. You will likely
> not
> > get the -1 votes that may be deserved.

This is already the case for PMC votes in general, since if it goes through
(now or ever) they can view the archives to see the -1 votes. I don't think
this case is very different from that, in terms of chilling effect.

Anyhow I'm -0 because I think the rationale is sound but I don't think the
cost/benefit pays off. Julian's idea of actively recruiting folks currently
going through incubation or recently graduated seems a better avenue.


> Thanks,
> Justin
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