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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)
Date Wed, 14 Aug 2019 01:51:00 GMT
A vanity mentor is a person with a big name and a small amount of time.

Projects go for the name, the mentor goes for the ego boost and then
reality catches up. But, hey, you are "mentoring" 12 projects!



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 5:18 PM David Jencks <david.a.jencks@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What’s a “vanity mentor“? How do I recognize one before a podling has a
> significant history? Who is currently accepting these vanity mentors and
> how would they stop doing so?
>
> Hindsight is 20-20... I have no crystal ball.
>
> David Jencks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> Here's an idea... The IPMC focuses on supporting mentors to do their
> job rather than forcing project developers and their mentors to jump
> through arbitrarily defined hoops.
> >
> > What "arbitrarily defined hoops” are you referring to? ASF policy or
> something else?
> >
> >> The IPMC doesn't need to enforce policy of any kind, except at the
> point of graduation.
> >
> > That seems less than ideal to me, why would a IPMC volunteer want to do
> that job? And again IMO it introduces a hard gate that podlings are going
> to dislike, probably more so than they do now.
> >
> >> When things change for individuals and they can no longer be good
> mentors then the IPMC  needs to make it a priority to help find a new,
> truly dedicated mentor. It's a problem that needs to be solved, but let's
> worry about that when it's actually a problem rather than a hypothetical
> one.
> >
> > It’s currently a problem, not a hypothetical, see for instance votes
> coming to this list without 3 mentors +1 votes, or the missing reports or
> missing sign-offs on the current incubator report to the board. This
> problem isn’t going unrecognised either, you’ll also note that recently
> nearly every month new mentors have been found and added to podlings that
> need them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
> >
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