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From Matt Sicker <>
Subject Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)
Date Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:30:21 GMT
We were handling votes like that in OpenWhisk up until graduation. Mentor
votes carry over to the IPMC vote.

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 07:20, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:

> We have always had a mindset that we (the foundation) want to make it as
> "brain dead easy" for people to download, use, and consume ASF projects.
> This means that they don't need to worry about compliance, IP provenance,
> etc.
> Incubator releases are a special case. The expectation is, and should be,
> that these releases may have issues. In fact, it is quite likely they will.
> Again, as long as those downloading these releases are aware of that, and
> we've done all we could to ensure that they are aware of it, then we have
> satisfied our requirements. IMO, with the naming and the DISCLAIMER and
> other such touches, we are achieving that.
> And they are, in fact, *releases*. We need to recall that one function of
> the foundation, and PMCs, is to provide legal protection to those who are
> creating the software artifacts, and when a release is done, as a "formal"
> act of the foundation (via the PMC), it is when they legal coverage is at
> its most clear and explicit. So in order for those within the podling to
> enjoy the legal protection this foundation exists to provide, these do need
> to be releases. I would be opposed to not providing such coverage for those
> in our podlings, since they should be safe spaces to learn about the Apache
> Way and how to build communities and how to release software.
> This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as
> PMC chairs are the "eyes and ears of the board", mentors are the "eyes and
> ears of the IPMC". The IPMC "vote" should be little more than a formality.
> IMO, if mentors are IPMC members, and there are at least 3 binding votes on
> the podling list, and the mentors are acting as IPMC members when they
> vote, then any other additional vote in the IPMC is not required... in
> essence, consider it like extending the vote for a lazy consensus, so to
> speak:
>    "The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and
> pointers here). We have 3 (or more) binding votes from mentors. We are
> giving the IPMC and additional 72 hours to vote on said release."
> Comments?
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