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From Christofer Dutz <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking
Date Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:41:45 GMT
I agree,

I think that the "requirement" (Never really knew there was such a requirement) of being a
Member sort of gives you the easy entry path as if you are a member people expect you to understand
the Apache Way.

However that doesn't mean that people not being a member don't get the Apache Way and hereby
should be excluded. 


PS: Sorry for being silent for quite some time ... was 1000000% swamped with TAC and ACEU
preparations ...

Am 13.08.19, 08:29 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <>:

    I'm a new IPMC Member (no foundation member) and come from a PLC4X which has graduated
months ago.
    I already started to help other Podlings a bit.
    And I agree with Dave in the sense that we should seek our way not in locking-out people
but in finding ways to draw in more people.
    It was already said multiple times that people from "mature" podlings or freshly graduated
projects would be a good call as mentors this should be ONE way to go.
    Am 13.08.19, 01:42 schrieb "Dave Fisher" <>:
        > On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
        > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mclean <>
        > wrote:
        >> Hi,
        >>> I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
        >>> IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
        >>> private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives.
        >> Which is also the same for any project who votes in a ASF member as a
        >> committer or PMC member.
        > I would counter that any project which creates such a bar for ASF Members
        > may be doing it Wrong :)
        > (this goes into my general feeling that projects generally need to lower
        > their bars, and become more inclusive)
        I really think that we have long precedent to do most of what we need to do already
in place.
        I’m -1 on this proposal. I think it is a bad idea. It is so bad that I would seriously
think about volunteering here less.
        Just think about how many VOTEs we would need to do when a Podling comes in. Think
about all the pro forma votes and discussions about people. BORING!
        Frankly, I’m quite surprised that this is even being proposed.
        > Cheers,
        > -g
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