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From Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking
Date Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:10:06 GMT
Thanks, Gian. I bet you’re familiar with DataSketches (as it has ancestry/people in common
with Druid) and I recall that recently they needed more mentors.


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Gian Merlino <gian@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in
> mentoring other podlings after Druid graduates. Julian has been very
> helpful to us while we've been incubating and I'd like to pay it forward.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:12 AM Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t have a strong opinion on the subject of this thread - whether it
>> should be easy for ASF members to join the IPMC - but I have a strong
>> opinion about a related matter - namely, how easy it should be for non-ASF
>> members to join the IPMC.
>> 
>> The IPMC should be actively recruiting members of recently-graduated
>> projects to serve as mentors of the next generation of podlings.
>> 
>> I bet quite a few people people think that you have to be an ASF member to
>> be on the IPMC or mentor a project. And we certainly give the impression
>> that ASF members make the best mentors. But I claim that people who have
>> just been through the incubation process also make excellent mentors. They
>> have experienced the pain, and they know the answers to many of the IT- and
>> process-related questions because they have just solved them.
>> 
>> Like Sheng, I joined the IPMC before I was a member. The project I
>> founded, Calcite, was close to graduating and I was active on general@
>> because being a podling is hard and raises many questions. Some other
>> podlings were entering incubation and someone (I think Ted Dunning or Alan
>> Gates) asked me to be a mentor. From that, I was drawn into other Apache
>> projects, saw the broader Apache community, and was drawn into the worthy
>> task of helping to govern the Foundation. For me, serving as a mentor was a
>> way of saying ’thank you’ for the help I had received from mentors during
>> incubation. And for the IPMC, it provided an active and engaged mentor,
>> always a scarce resource.
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:29 PM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> My Apache journey started at Incubator, and as IPMC now(not asf member).
>> I
>>> noticed this requirement too.
>>> 
>>> From the members I known personally, most indeed know Apache way very
>> well.
>>> And truely there is exception.
>>> 
>>> Basically, I think removing this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> 1. if this member has been incubator journey, such as being initial
>>> committer of a podling, it is easy to know and should have taken part in
>>> incubator ml much.
>>> 
>>> 2. there are indeed asf members elected by other reasons, so, they are
>> not
>>> familiar w/ incubator, and need more time to learn too. Apache has so
>> many
>>> TLPs and ways to take part in, a member is not required used to be
>>> incubator.
>>> 
>>> My +1 on IPMC should have enough incubator experiences.
>>> 
>>> Also, very open to know the history reason of this.
>>> 
>>> Sheng
>>> 
>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>于2019年8月9日 周五下午1:04写道:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I assume
>>>> this was put in place for two reasons: ( but don’t know the full history
>>>> behind it)
>>>> - There was a lack of mentors.
>>>> - Is is assumed that if you are an ASF member you know enough about the
>>>> Apache Way to mentor a project.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure if this is the case anymore. And while the mentor situation
>>>> has improved I don’t think the above has solved the problem of having
>>>> active members or mentors having the required knowledge and skills they
>>>> need.
>>>> 
>>>> So if you want to be a IPMC member and mentor a project then I think you
>>>> need you have gone through the full incubation process yourself and/or
>> help
>>>> out with other incubator duties and get voted in as an IPMC member. Just
>>>> like every other ASF project.
>>>> 
>>>> What do other people think?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Justin
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>>> Sheng Wu
>>> SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin
>> 
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