From general-return-69719-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Jun 14 15:16:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E953919118 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11663 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2019 15:16:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 11427 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jun 2019 15:16:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 11415 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jun 2019 15:16:14 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 277BCC2273 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.388 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GB_FROM_NAME_FREEMAIL=0.01, JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL=0.5, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9w07xKzBcDga for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id A53E35F524 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.236]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id bnrXhVT6m9NErbnvwh4eT3; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:04 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1560525364; bh=eMphnH1ehZUunHAIqYJlkp9RX6kjCoscX40R5ic/sys=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Date:Subject: Message-Id:To; b=Ko0nytyBDJMsijl1t27lrigOBtjASu0Z7z8Ca1xRTv6IgTYUAjzjvH64ROIrTJosJ azNxsk5BOGYhR5YrlbIL9K1+Q81OsZaRmAQykjs6V3FZHgkC6lMg1bx9MdceRsDgxa yhXNmHQXTiwUbu7P4a7C0vhCOBQS7PBvT+f5Thzrk/dg9Rfqxll4Pf/NCnqFKhE5XG WDRyFzHMCdu2E/fUzsEn2oSPL2LWlDiU9ho5ivxASZI5izVkUKNEi2+F1Iag49MJ3u m3rc6dvQJdRpYjZBLu2T7GBMfvtjx2u4dgiAH15huGCil1frKBI5a+B6Kw4E6ugGoZ ybYMRUvYzEx8w== Received: from [IPv6:2601:649:280:19bf:7d39:b9b9:71e0:f972] ([IPv6:2601:649:280:19bf:7d39:b9b9:71e0:f972]) by resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id bnvthAYm0T55RbnvwhgJ9v; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:04 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0;st=legit From: Dave Fisher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:16:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT] Board proposal on podling releases Message-Id: References: <6EA992BC-B219-449A-83FC-725333C51F16@classsoftware.com> <0FB2F580-A3F2-4B8F-B450-B501E95173A5@classsoftware.com> In-Reply-To: To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16F203) Hi Greg, I agree. A pragmatic, incremental, trust in a community=E2=80=99s best inten= tions is all we should ask. To me the minimum requirements are: (1) License is AL v2. (2) Disclaimer is standard. I don=E2=80=99t want it to vary because then we=E2= =80=99ll discuss correctness. (3) Signature. (4) Checksum. The rest is up to the podling community to grow more towards policy than awa= y. Treating it as an existential crisis is in conflict with =E2=80=9CCommuni= ty over Code=E2=80=9D and turns into a form of =E2=80=9Cfilibustering=E2=80=9D= . Users who are vested in a podling=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Ccorrectness=E2=80=9D an= d graduation should join and =E2=80=9Cscratch their itch.=E2=80=9D Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >=20 >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 18:57 Justin Mclean wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >>> Boring imo. You have to try hard to screw up Cat B (though I=E2=80=99ve s= een it >>> done). >>=20 >> Really? Category B source code is generally not allowed in sources >> releases. It's actually Category X. Category B as image and the like is >> allowed. >>=20 >=20 > And if it appears in a tarball... So what happens? >=20 > Really. Answer that. (licenses for each piece of work get sorted) >=20 > We are getting all twisted up in nonsense. Make some podling releases, and= > improve them each time. Nothing more than that . >=20 >> I mean clearly against the terms and intention. i.e. I=E2=80=99m less cut= up if a >>> 3rd party project did a crap job of their attribution such that we had t= o >>> fix their problems in obeying their license. GPL, MPL can happily be >>> included; it breaks our policy not their license. >>=20 >> Well if you include GPL (and this has happened), you need to abide by >> terms of it license, claiming it's ALv2 doesn=E2=80=99t really do that. >>=20 >=20 > So what? Think on it: what is *really* going on? Various bits of code unde= r > different licensed. That is all. >=20 > Whatever mislabel occurs, doesn't change the underlying licenses. So > despite the furor, there isn't a problem. >=20 > We claim ALv2 on the larger work/distribution. We do not override license > claims on pieces within that distro. >=20 > -g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org