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From Bertrand Delacretaz <>
Subject Re: overzealous bureaucracy (was: [VOTE] Zipkin leave incubator, return back to OpenZipkin)
Date Wed, 19 Jun 2019 09:13:54 GMT

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:13 AM Greg Stein <> wrote:
> ...Let's talk about the overzealous bureaucracy of the IPMC...

IMO something that can help fix that is declaring that the IPMC's goal
is to *provide services to podlings so they can become top-level ASF

Currently, many things in the Incubator make it appear more like a
*stern gatekeeper for entry to the ASF" - like this overzealous
bureaucracy that you mention and that is often perceptible.

The difference is subtle but it can influence the IPMC's culture.

I think the place where this declaration can be made is the first few
paragraphs at - currently IMHO they do
express the "stern gatekeeper" spirit, and changing that would be a
good starting point.

How about this to replace those first few paragraphs, up to the
"getting started.." heading.

     The Incubator provides services to projects which want to enter the ASF.
     It helps those incoming projects (called "podlings") adopt the Apache style
     of governance and operation and guides them to the ASF services available
     to our projects, so they can become top-level ASF projets ("TLPs").

    The Incubator delegates 2-3 mentors for each podling, as "on the
ground" agents
    to act as liaisons with the various ASF teams: Incubator PMC,
Infrastructure team,
    etc. and facilitate the podling's growth and operations.

   Our cookbook (link:
potential podlings
   decide whether the ASF might be a good fit for them and guides them
through the
   steps required to become an Apache Software Foundation podling.

We don't need to discuss the details of this text now but I thought
providing a concrete example of what I'm thinking about might help
convince people.

Let's Make The Incubator Great Again!
#sorry #couldnresist #ducksandrun


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