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From Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: overzealous bureaucracy (was: [VOTE] Zipkin leave incubator, return back to OpenZipkin)
Date Thu, 20 Jun 2019 12:00:15 GMT
Honestly, I don't know. I agree that Github++ might not have been the best
term but as I said: I didn't think this through to the end.

I guess (all of this is a bunch of unfinished ideas) what it boils down to
is that we can do the incubation outside of the ASF.

I didn't even think about what you read into my statements, to be honest
but only as a "path" into the ASF. This is getting philosophical.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:44 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:33 AM Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:59 AM Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:38 AM Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is very much not thought through to the end. One question
> raised
> > > for
> > > > > example is whether projects would even want to become a TLP.
> > > > > The mission states: "We do this by providing services and support
> for
> > > > many
> > > > > like-minded software project communities consisting of individuals
> > who
> > > > > choose to participate in ASF activities."
> > > > > I don't see anything in there requiring anyone to "join" (I
> remember
> > > the
> > > > > recent discussions about that). If you sign up to Github you're not
> > all
> > > > of
> > > > > a sudden a "Github project" but still benefit from its services.
> > > > >
> > > > > We could do something similar.
> > > >
> > > > Do I understand correctly that you're proposing a sort of "indefinite
> > > > incubation" for projects which want to benefit from our infra but
> don't
> > > > want to follow one or more of the principles we have deemed important
> > to
> > > > producing open source software?
> > > >
> > > ...
> > > I don't see Lars suggesting allowing such projects. There would still
> be
> > a
> > > Proposal, and retirement is still an option.
> >
> >
> > Actually, I think that he quite literally did suggest what he called
> > github++ where projects would be free to make releases based on whatever
> > rules that they chose and to not all themselves apache projects for as
> long
> > as they like.
> >
> > I am with Myrle. That isn't what we want. There has to be some ooomph
> > toward becoming an Apache project.
> >
>
> I totally agree. Just saying I didn't read Lars that way.  *shrug*
>

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