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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: There's a missing state in the state diagram for the incubator
Date Thu, 06 Jun 2019 01:33:33 GMT
This has happened before. We just say "thanks, and good luck". Most recent
was odftoolkit, I believe. They moved to The Document Foundation. We
transferred a related domain over TDF, for that community to use.

Note that we've also stated that if a trademark is transferred to us
*during* incubation, then we'll return it to the prior owner if the podling
retires for any reason. In some cases, we have allowed podlings to graduate
to TLP status with the understanding a trademark transfer will occur in the
future (ie. trademark ownership is not a blocker).

At least one TLP (iBatis) moved their community out of Apache. We kept the
trademark, so they are myBatis or somesuch. It is difficult for a 501(c)3
to transfer property, so we remain hesitant around trademarks.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 7:31 PM Adrian Cole <> wrote:

> Hi, all
> I just noticed that all states in the diagram are under the assumption
> that the only way a project stops is by the IPMC making a decision for
> the project, saying they have no community etc.
> A route not listed is the PPMC choosing to stop on their own. It would
> be helpful to know that a podling can voluntarily return to their
> prior state, and know up front what impact that would imply.
> I expect not everything needs to be on the website, but hypothetically
> speaking, what would be the impact to the people who decided to stop
> incubating.. if for example the community is entirely the same as they
> started?
> Best,
> -Adrian
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