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From Rodric Rabbah <rod...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenWhisk graduation to Top Level Project
Date Sun, 09 Jun 2019 13:24:37 GMT
Thanks for these links. I went through many of the links you provided and
conducted my own search as well. I conclude that all are left over from
before the project entered the Apache Incubator and the period of
transition that followed. We addressed the use of IBM OpenWhisk and Bluemix
OpenWhisk over several months of transition. As you might now, the project
did originate out of IBM but the OpenWhisk trademark has been fully
transferred now, and more over, IBM rebranded their Apache OpenWhisk
offering to IBM Cloud Functions after induction into the incubator. I find
adequate references to Apache OpenWhisk in the current IBM documentation.
Maybe we're seeing different results of a google "OpenWhisk" search but the
snippet of result for IBM Cloud I saw clearly uses Apache OpenWhisk and not
IBM OpenWhisk:

   "Based on Apache *OpenWhisk*, IBM Cloud Functions is a polyglot
functions-as-a-service (FaaS) programming platform for developing
lightweight code that scalably executes on demand. ... IBM Cloud Functions
provides access to the Apache *OpenWhisk* ecosystem in which anyone can
contribute ..."

[image: Screen Shot 2019-06-09 at 9.05.34 AM.png]
The github projects in the IBM organization appear to not be maintained
actively and reference Apache OpenWhisk clearly on the landing pages and
README. There were several projects that at the time of induction we did
not feel we needed to move to Apache and in fact we moved too many - some
of which we have to now archive as we have abandoned and not maintaining.
They are helper projects or experiments and not part of the core system.
Are you suggesting we ask their maintainers to rename them? There is no
such plan and it has not been discussed as far as I know.

We are aware of that the PMC is responsible for managing their brand and
trademarks and have discussed (on private list) whether action is required
in the past for other instances.

As someone who was one of the founding members of the project at IBM and
who no longer is at IBM, I have no doubts the project was has well out
grown its IBM roots.

I did open an issue to address the reference to "IBM OpenWhisk" [1].

[1] https://github.com/serverless/serverless-openwhisk/issues/171

-r

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:22 PM <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Some of the answer be be obvious here to someone who works on the project,
> and already been discussed and sorted on your mailing list. So apologies if
> that the case, I’m not involved with your project, so I’m just asking to
> get clarity.
>
> A google search turns up mention of “IBM OpenWhisk” and a logo very
> similar to the OpenWhisk one. e.g [1] Is the project aware of and dealing
> with the branding/trademark issues here? Is this just left over from before
> the project entered incubation?
>
> The also a lot of pages that refer to "Bluemix OpenWhisk” e.g [4] on the
> IBM website. Or this page with “OpenWhisk” [5] in the URL and title but no
> clear mention it’s an Apache product.
>
> If I google search for Openwhisk and cloud I see this result in google:
>
> IBM Cloud
> https://www.ibm.com/cloud
> Open source. Quicklinks. All open source projects · Tutorials and
> training. Try OpenWhisk on Bluemix. Get started with serverless,
> event-driven computing in the …
>
> Again Apache is not mentioned.
>
> Are you concerned that this may make people think that OpenWhisk in not an
> Apache product and give the impression that it's owned by IBM?
>
> I can also see that IBM has a number of gtihub repos using the name
> OpenWhisk, what’s the plan for them?
>
> I notice you docker images (which are labeled as part of the ASF but oddly
> use the openwhisk.org domain) [6] seem to pull down the latest code
> rather than approved released version. Do you think this is in line with
> ASF release policy?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://serverless.com/framework/docs/providers/openwhisk/
> 2. https://github.com/IBM/openwhisk-getting-started-template
> 3. https://github.com/IBM/expressjs-openwhisk
> 4.
> https://developer.ibm.com/tv/ibm-expands-bluemix-openwhisk-to-support-rapid-app-development/
> 5. https://developer.ibm.com/tv/openwhisk/
> 6. https://hub.docker.com/u/openwhisk
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