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From Sheng Wu <>
Subject Re: overzealous bureaucracy (was: [VOTE] Zipkin leave incubator, return back to OpenZipkin)
Date Wed, 19 Jun 2019 06:45:05 GMT


> 在 2019年6月19日,下午2:12,Greg Stein <> 写道:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:42 PM Dave Fisher <> wrote:
>> Hi David and Greg,
>>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Justin Mclean <>
>> wrote:
>> ...
>>> BTW in all previous cases of podlings exiting I could find, a vote was
>> taken (see below links and there’s more I’ve not listed). In most cases
>> this was to retire rather than returning/going elsewhere, so the situation
>> not exactly the same, but that’s a data point all the same.
> That doesn't justify requiring a [VOTE].
>> If anyone thinks a VOTE is not necessary then please discuss why on
>> another thread.
> I merely added a parenthetical to my vote. As did David.
> But sure. Let's talk about the overzealous bureaucracy of the IPMC.
> Think about the result of this purported [VOTE]. Two answers:
> 1) yes, you are free to leave
> 2) no, you are NOT free to leave
> What does (2) mean? That we hold the community's repositories hostage? That
> we don't return them? On what right? On what *ethical* right?
> The VOTE was ridiculous. It can only come out "Yes", so why?

Yes. +1
That is exact reason I agree the vote is necessary.
This is leave, rather than no community and retire to incubator `attic`.

Anyway, Thanks for providing helps on JIRA tickets, and the repositories have back to OpenZipkin.

> The *Zipkin community* owns those repositories. Not Apache or the IPMC. Let
> the community take them where they want.
> If a podling graduates, then the community and its resources are recognized
> by the Board as an official part of the Foundation. Unless/until then, we
> should be very careful about spurious claims of ownership.
> Years back, we talked about not wanting to accept "hostile forks" of other
> projects as podlings. We did not want to be party to such a calamity. By
> voting "no" in this case, the IPMC would be the one *creating* the hostile
> fork. Not merely accepting it as a podling. Talk about bad karma.
> Regards,
> -g

Sheng Wu
Apache Skywalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin

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