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From Adrian Cole <adrianc...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentors SHOULD vote on podling releases prior to asking IPMC to vote
Date Fri, 17 May 2019 09:00:32 GMT
FWIW I tried this just recently and was requested to not do it again. Worth knowing https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0571e9dd1b7711c588a38d8a664378ce7df31c72592edcbe8ab8a72b@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E

On 2019/04/02 09:30:10, Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.INVALID>
wrote: 
> Maybe the PPMC and IPMC vote could run in parallel -- a key reason why we
> in Apache NetBeans are looking forward to graduation is that we'll not need
> to go through the loop of (1) PPMC approves, (2) IPMC rejects, (3) PPMC
> needs to put together a new release and vote on it again, (4) IPMC rejects
> again (finding something else they hadn't found before), etc. That's slowed
> the releases we have done in the incubator down significantly, typically by
> at least 2 weeks -- of course, as will be pointed out, Apache NetBeans is
> very large -- but, assuming Apache wants to be a welcome place for large
> projects too, something needs to be done here (though it won't be a problem
> for Apache NetBeans anymore since we plan to graduate before our next
> release). So, if the votes were to at least run in parallel, that would
> save time, and maybe as soon as there are 3 +1s from PPMC/IPMC members,
> that should be good to go, rather than waiting another 72 hours after that,
> in situations where those votes come in quickly.
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 11:09 AM Julian Feinauer <
> j.feinauer@pragmaticminds.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I like Craigs suggestion and I'm aware of the problem with the ASF Policy
> > if we would skip the formal IPMC Vote.
> > On the other hand in PLC4X we had a discussion about a regular release
> > cycle to bring new features to the users as fast as possible and decided to
> > skip that for now, to keep the burden on the IPMC low (and we usually have
> > 3 IPMC / Mentor Votes as we have very active Mentors).
> > I agree with this decision of the PPMC but I see a problem with that, as
> > the IPMC Vote should be something to help podlings (aside from the
> > necessity by Policy) but not "negatively" impact them.
> >
> > Perhaps it helps to see the IPMC Votes more as a "take notice" in case
> > that there are already 3 +1 Votes. This means that the vote is open for
> > 72hrs formally, but IPMC members do not feel to have to go to action
> > (usually as PMC member one "should" participate in votes... although this
> > is practiced differently in the IPMC for good reasons) but CAN if they feel
> > like.
> > This would especially mean that podlings should be encouraged to formulate
> > their votes more explicit about whether there are already enough IPMC Votes
> > or not.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > Am 01.04.19, 23:51 schrieb "Justin Mclean" <justin@classsoftware.com>:
> >
> >     Hi,
> >
> >     I'd also like to see those mentors / IPMC members vote with more than
> > just a +1 and provide a list of what they checked. If they could use
> > something like this all the better [1].
> >
> >     I wouldn’t be for removing the second step of letting the IPMC look at
> > it, reasonably often serious issues are found in that step. By skilling
> > that we risk some podlings going all the way to propose graduation while
> > having releases that don’t follow ASF policy. This is a situation I’d like
> > to avoid.
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >     Justin
> >
> >     1. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorReleaseChecklist
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