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From Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Zipkin (incubating) version 2.14.0
Date Sat, 18 May 2019 16:40:13 GMT
Probably more than anyone in the world, I feel your pain. Tip: document
everything Justin identifies as a problem, focus on those items in addition
to everything you’re focusing on already, and each release will be less
painful than the one before.

Gj


On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 17:46, Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com> wrote:

> the fact people allow tools like apache RAT to rot, yet somehow can
> find glitches in dozens of repos tells me priorities are whacked.
>
> For example, the last release justin found a second header on a file
> that said it was temporary (now deleted)
>
> did he manually look at hundreds of files to see that? If not, why are
> the tools we are supposed to use hamstrung? A correct optimization is
> empowering projects to succeed on their own. RAT is a part of that.
> Why are there better tools not available? Why is a second license a
> "ISSUE" that needs to be discussed in consideration of whether a vote
> is 3+1 days or 3+3 days. The bias is towards making things problems,
> not putting them in perspective or addressing long held issues that
> make this whole thing eggshell (ex RAT)
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 5:33 PM Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > In defence of Justin :-) I'm very sure NetBeans would not be as solid and
> > well placed in Apache right now, outside the Incubator, without Justin's
> > uncanny ability to find glitches. :-)
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:59 PM Adrian Cole <adrian.f.cole@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > maybe you can open source the tools you use justin.
> > >
> > > you seem uncanny ability to find glitches, yet also have an ability to
> > > ignore note in the vote request mentioning known issues.
> > >
> > > start helping instead of finding faults. you are the reason incubator
> is
> > > not something anyone wants to go through
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 18, 2019, 3:20 PM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > > But for Zipkin,  there are lots of community releases which are
> built
> > > > > on top of auto tools,  so I think it's much safer for us to start
a
> > > > > parallel vote both PPMC and IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Given all release I’ve looked at had license (or other) issues why
> do you
> > > > think that the “auto tools” are doing what is required and that
> there is
> > > a
> > > > requirement for doing this? Or why do you feel you need to get
> releases
> > > out
> > > > before they comply with ASF policy? You'll allow note that issues
> pointed
> > > > out with previous releases still occur in later releases and that’s
> > > > probably an issue you need to look into.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
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