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From Chris Lambertus <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Podling Status Event Dates - Re: Podling status Copyright section
Date Wed, 15 May 2019 19:52:29 GMT


> On May 15, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi -
> 
> I think that we are mixing together a few events in a podling's lifecycle. Since I published
a plan to update the status process and am just about to implement I think we should discuss
events in a modern way since much of the language is a decade or more old and we are each
trying to find the best language for modern times which includes our collective thoughts and
understanding.
> 
> (1) Start Date - Podling Proposal is Accepted.
> (2) Podlings.xml file updated.
> (3) Status page created.
> (Not needed in improvement plan where the correct dates and events will be maintained
through Whimsy Roster/Status pages)
> (4) LDAP and Mailing lists created by Infra.


DNS is a required Infra step. the LDAP creation is via Whimsy, and anyone with appropriate
karma can click the button, although I do not currently know who has the karma. It is nominally
apldap (Infra) but I think Secretary may also be able to take this step? This can be changed
to suit, and could easily happen as part of the onboarding process (maybe by Secretary, maybe
by some other designee) after podlings.xml has been updated. For now, it's easy enough to
include it as an Infra step.

Mailing lists are self-serve once the LDAP and DNS exists via https://selfserve.apache.org/
<https://selfserve.apache.org/>



> (5) PPMC Member onboarding - ICLA, Apache accounts, ML signup.
> (6) Codebase onboarding - assuming that all podling’s continue to fit the GitHub development
model.
> - SGA (or proof that CCLA/ICLA in some combination are appropriate.)
> - List of Repositories Cleared - This is NEW and providing this will be very helpful
to both the podling and INFRA.
> - Different repositories may come under different SGAs (or ICLA/CCLA)
> - Date the repository is moved (or copied) and accepted by the PPMC.

Specifically for Infra onboarding, we really just need to know that "the Foundation" has accepted
the code and the donation has been reviewed by someone in-the-know about these things. Historically,
this has been Secretary. The most critical thing for infra is that the repositories requested
to be moved to the ASF are the ones which Secretary has received the SGA for, and the person
requesting the import include a mailing list link to the Secretary's acceptance of the SGA.

Thanks for putting this together.

-Chris





> (7) Date that the donated code has been changed.
> - AL2 headers
> - Copyrights removed.
> (8) First fully compliant release
> - Date when the IPMC agrees that podling is making compliant releases.
> (9) News - releases, added committers, added PPMC members, (added repositories?)
> 
> Notes on (6):
> (a) Providing clearance for each repository will provide INFRA with a clear place to
confirm that GitHub JIRA requests are valid.
> (b) Provide a clear view to the status of repositories.
> 
> Does this breakdown help us focus on the code versus committer requirements?
> 
>> On May 15, 2019, at 1:28 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 06:55, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not like the words "transfer rights".  It could be interpreted as transfer
of copyright.  Copyright of existing code is not transferred to the ASF, AIUI.  How about
"Check to make sure that an SGA or CCLA has been received.”
> 
> At the point the SGA is granted and the code repository moved over one of the first actions
to add the AL2 headers where appropriate. The donation may be relicensed from proprietary
to AL2. At this time the copyright line is typically removed.
> 
> It is up to the donating companies what they do with their copyright to their copy.
> 
>>> 
>>> I don't like hypotheticals, but I can imagine some individual starting a project
on GitHub, has only a few files already under ALv2, and gets a project going at the ASF? 
Wouldn't we accept those few files under his ICLA and not require an SGA or CCLA?
> 
> Yes. See 6 above.
> 
>>> 
>>> I'd suggest dropping the second sentence ("it is necessary to transfer rights...").
 AIUI, it is only necessary to grant a perpetual license to the ASF.
>> 
>> Also, the CCLA is not required, and is not an alternative to the SGA
>> -- as may perhaps be inferred by some from the phrase "(SGA or CCLA)"
>> 
>> https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-faq.html#cclas-not-required <https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-faq.html#cclas-not-required>
> 
> It is between the individuals and their employers if they can contribute. In the rare
case where a company might not grant the donation via our SGA, but would with an CCLA, then
we should be flexible. The question is where that decision should be made and how it is memorialized.
> 
>> 
>>> I like your third sentence.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> On 5/13/19, 5:28 PM, "Craig Russell" <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   The Copyright section of the podling status page says "Check and make sure
that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received. It is only necessary to transfer
rights for the package, the core code, and any new code produced by the project.".
>>> 
>>>   I'd propose a change:
>>> 
>>>   "Check to make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received
(SGA or CCLA). It is necessary to transfer rights for any existing package and core code.
Any new code produced by the project must be covered by ICLA."
>>> 
>>>   This change is proposed because it might not be obvious to everyone what "the
papers that transfer rights" are. And new code produced must be committed by a person who
has filed an ICLA.
> 
> I think that we set this language in the documentation. The status page is both documentation
and status.
> 
> Shall we iterate on the above list and patch the cookbook on the site?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
>>> 
>>>   Patches welcome.
>>> 
>>>   Craig L Russell
>>>   clr@apache.org
>>> 
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