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From Huxing Zhang <hux...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Mon, 29 Apr 2019 08:49:03 GMT
Hi,

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:33 AM Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
> discussions on that using some basic searching.

No. How to give the right permission to the authors of the projects
has been discussed here[1].
I have quoted below:

2. Gain write access to your project after transfer

If your project has been transferred to ASF, you will lose write
access temporally. The Dubbo community will vote you in as committer
by following standard ASF way. This means you have to contribute to
the project for some time in order to earn enough merit.

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E

>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:05, Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> >
> > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> > Dubbo
> > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > format in compliance with the policies
> > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > projects[3]. Among them,
> >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > branding issues cleared.
> >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> >
> > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> >
> > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > [3]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > [4]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dave & Others,
> > > >
> > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > which
> > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > party"
> > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > > necessarily exist.
> > > >
> > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > order to
> > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> > It is
> > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > quickly
> > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > >
> > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > abuse it)
> > >
> > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > long
> > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> > in
> > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > >
> > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > >
> > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > > to work out a ETA.
> > >
> > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> > are
> > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > >
> > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > earning enough merit.
> > >
> > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > today, and
> > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > board
> > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> > this.
> > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > >
> > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -Ian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi -
> > > > >
> > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> > where
> > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> > will be
> > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > working with
> > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party"
> > site
> > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues
> > in an
> > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > then agree
> > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > >
> > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
into the
> > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The
“for
> > Apache
> > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > >
> > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > address
> > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
that
> > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > SkyWalking
> > > > > were
> > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午11:29写道:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > that
> > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might
need that
> > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -J
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
> > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially
for
> > these
> > > > > >> three.
> > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > repo(npm), the
> > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2].
Right?
> > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking
used to
> > be
> > > > > asked
> > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
isn't.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午10:46写道:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name
from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the
domain name
> > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't
need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the
decision. I
> > just
> > > > > >> reply
> > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except
the
> > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >> ,
> > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about
my concern. I
> > trust
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午10:16写道:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read
my prev reply[1],
> > which
> > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to
be disallowed,
> > we will
> > > > > >> do
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name
from 'dubbo' to
> > other
> > > > > name
> > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the
domain name
> > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't
need to keep
> > website
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
> > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely
addressed once
> > the
> > > > > >> actions
> > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm
with our
> > mentors and
> > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang
<
> > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu
<
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation
is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the
license and make sure
> > ICLA
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related
to Dubbo, which is
> > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything
into Apache group
> > except
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
to
> > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern
more. Especially you
> > say
> > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly
CNAME.
> > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website
before joining
> > ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think
it is better to
> > move them
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive
purpose.
> > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing
the word
> > "eventually".
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1],
section Initial
> > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished,
you should wait for
> > that
> > > > > >> before
> > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests
to dubbo.io
> > has been
> > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the
DNS level, and host
> > all in
> > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two
are the same. If not,
> > which
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not
belong to either
> > Apache
> > > > > >> or
> > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to
change the DNS
> > record.
> > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io
to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and
the profile for dubbo group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly
about the
> > logo(GitHub
> > > > > >> org
> > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see
they[2][3] are the same,
> > > > > >> which
> > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has
not been cleared.
> > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that
GitHub org, so this
> > should
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization
if this is an
> > issue.
> > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think
it is useful just
> > for
> > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse
it.
> > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with
something other
> > than
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under
it.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system
temporarily
> > before the
> > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined,
as you are going to be a
> > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the
decision, what do you
> > want
> > > > > >> about
> > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in
GitHub, but the specific
> > ones
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
上午10:29写道:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are
ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to
make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org
will be renamed or some other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding
concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of
Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation
is under going.
> > We
> > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine
the license and make sure
> > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually
we hope to move
> > everything
> > > > > >> into
> > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which
serves redirection
> > dubbo.io
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and
the profile for dubbo group
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated
in ASF:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
this group is
> > for
> > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the
transition finishes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM
Sheng Wu <
> > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used
to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/.
Re the other projects it
> > may
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs
to be done but action is being
> > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo
has been discussed a number of
> > > > > >> times
> > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being
moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > and
> > > > > >> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best
describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are
ongoing, and many projects are
> > > > > >> done.
> > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to
make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> > org
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org
will be renamed or some other
> > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding
concern.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of
Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > important.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community
and connected many
> > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure
the branding is clear before
> > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed
(vote has been canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated
and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started on
> > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future
be allowed). I also note
> > it
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue
not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this
comes from the same reason I
> > asked
> > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as
they said in many media(s),
> > many
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good
example of ASF project, and
> > the
> > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in
first place.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere,
Zipkin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > >> 上午7:19写道:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens,
Dubbo should be Apache
> > branding,
> > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1]
is still used. Especially the exact
> > > > > >> name
> > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used
to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/.
Re the other projects it
> > > > > >> may be
> > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs
to be done but action is being
> > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra
repo has been discussed a number
> > of
> > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are
being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best
describes what is happening
> > [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2]
in dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs
Alibaba
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just
an oversight, but if someone
> > > > > >> from the
> > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would
be good.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project
exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > >> name.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo
vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > Dubbo
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0
[RC3]`. License issue hasn't been
> > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote),
I know LGPL is uncertain
> > thing(maybe),
> > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not
be included.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed
(vote has been canceled,
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated
and there’s a discussion
> > > > > >> started
> > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in
future be allowed). I also note
> > > > > >> it was
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue
not the IPMC.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
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