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From Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Mon, 29 Apr 2019 06:27:35 GMT
Hi

Sorry, I copy the wrong link.
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
chickenlj[2] personal repo]
In the proposal, it is https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en

>- https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in chickenlj
personal repo]
In the proposal, it is https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午2:22写道:

> Hi
> Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
>
> But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
>
> In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> in Initial Source
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj[2] personal repo]
> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj personal repo]
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> ...(and several others repos)
>
> Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
> but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
>
> Could someone tell me what is going on?
> Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already? Or the
> proposal changed.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>>
>> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
>> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
>> Dubbo
>> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
>> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> format in compliance with the policies
>> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
>> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
>> projects[3]. Among them,
>>   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
>> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>>   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
>> branding issues cleared.
>>   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
>> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>>   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
>> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>>   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>>   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
>> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>>
>> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
>> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
>> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>>
>> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
>> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
>> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
>> [3]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> [4]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dave & Others,
>> > >
>> > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
>> > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
>> which
>> > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
>> party"
>> > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
>> > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
>> > > necessarily exist.
>> > >
>> > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
>> order to
>> > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
>> It is
>> > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
>> quickly
>> > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
>> >
>> > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
>> > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
>> > abuse it)
>> >
>> > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
>> > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
>> long
>> > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
>> in
>> > > dubbo's mailing list):
>> > >
>> > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
>> >
>> > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
>> > to work out a ETA.
>> >
>> > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
>> are
>> > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
>> >
>> > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
>> > earning enough merit.
>> >
>> > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
>> >
>> > +1.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
>> today, and
>> > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
>> board
>> > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
>> this.
>> > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
>> > > further suggestion comes up.
>> >
>> > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
>> > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
>> >
>> > [1]
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > -Ian.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi -
>> > > >
>> > > > (With trademark committee hat)
>> > > >
>> > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
>> > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
>> > > > PMC responsibility:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
>> > > > Improper third party uses:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
>> > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> > > >
>> > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
>> where
>> > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
>> will be
>> > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
>> working with
>> > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
>> party" site
>> > > > is and when that will be achieved.
>> > > >
>> > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
>> > > >
>> > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
>> issues in an
>> > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
>> then agree
>> > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
>> > > >
>> > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into
>> the
>> > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
>> Apache
>> > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
>> > > >
>> > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
>> address
>> > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>> that
>> > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
that
>> > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
>> SkyWalking
>> > > > were
>> > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午11:29写道:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> Semi OT:
>> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>> that
>> > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
that
>> > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> -J
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
>> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Hi,
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
>> > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially
for
>> these
>> > > > >> three.
>> > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
>> xxx-for-apache-project
>> > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>> > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
>> > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
>> repo(npm), the
>> > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
>> > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking
used to
>> be
>> > > > asked
>> > > > >>> stop in the same case.
>> > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
isn't.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
>> > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午10:46写道:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> Hi
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
'dubbo' to
>> other
>> > > > >> name
>> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the
domain name
>> > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
>> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't
need to keep
>> website
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>>>> this group
>> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
>> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the
decision. I
>> just
>> > > > >> reply
>> > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except
the
>> > > > dubbo.github.io
>> > > > >> ,
>> > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about
my concern.
>> I trust
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Thanks.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午10:16写道:
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my
prev reply[1],
>> which
>> > > > >>>>> concerns me
>> > > > >>>>>> more are
>> > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
>> > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to
be disallowed,
>> we will
>> > > > >> do
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
>> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
'dubbo' to
>> other
>> > > > name
>> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the
domain name
>> > > > >> dubbo.github.io
>> > > > >>>>> ,
>> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't
need to keep
>> website
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>>>> this group
>> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
>> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely
addressed
>> once the
>> > > > >> actions
>> > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm
with our
>> mentors and
>> > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Regards,
>> > > > >>>>> -Ian.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang
<
>> huxing@apache.org>
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu
<
>> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation
is under going.
>> We
>> > > > >> cannot
>> > > > >>>>>> do it
>> > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the
license and make
>> sure ICLA
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >>>>>> each
>> > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related
to Dubbo, which is
>> > > > >> decided by
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything
into Apache group
>> except
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
to
>> dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern
more. Especially
>> you say
>> > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
>> > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
>> > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly
CNAME.
>> > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website
before joining
>> ASF.
>> > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think
it is better to
>> move them
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive
purpose.
>> > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing
the word
>> "eventually".
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1],
section Initial
>> > > > >> Source,
>> > > > >>>>> "Home
>> > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
>> > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished,
you should wait for
>> that
>> > > > >> before
>> > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests
to dubbo.io
>> has been
>> > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the
DNS level, and host
>> all in
>> > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are
the same. If not,
>> which
>> > > > >> is
>> > > > >>>>>> harder
>> > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not
belong to either
>> Apache
>> > > > >> or
>> > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
>> > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to
change the DNS
>> record.
>> > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and
the profile for dubbo
>> group
>> > > > >> like
>> > > > >>>>> this:
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly
about the
>> logo(GitHub
>> > > > >> org
>> > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see
they[2][3] are the
>> same,
>> > > > >> which
>> > > > >>>>> both
>> > > > >>>>>> of
>> > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
>> > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has
not been cleared.
>> > > > >> Especially, I
>> > > > >>>>>> think
>> > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that
GitHub org, so this
>> should
>> > > > >> be
>> > > > >>>>> able
>> > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization
if this is an
>> issue.
>> > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think
it is useful
>> just for
>> > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse
it.
>> > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with
something other
>> than
>> > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under
it.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>> > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
>> > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system
temporarily
>> before the
>> > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined,
as you are going to be
>> a
>> > > > >> TLP, the
>> > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the
decision, what do you
>> want
>> > > > >> about
>> > > > >>>>>> your
>> > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
>> > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub,
but the
>> specific ones
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>> > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
>> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
上午10:29写道:
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing,
and many projects are
>> > > > >> done.
>> > > > >>>>>> Could
>> > > > >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make
sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
>> org
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>> be
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org
will be renamed or some other
>> > > > >>>>>> way(community
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding
concern.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo
ecosystem is very
>> important.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation
is under going.
>> We
>> > > > >> cannot
>> > > > >>>>>> do it
>> > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine
the license and make
>> sure
>> > > > >> ICLA
>> > > > >>>>> for
>> > > > >>>>>> each
>> > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually
we hope to move
>> everything
>> > > > >> into
>> > > > >>>>>> Apache
>> > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which
serves redirection
>> dubbo.io
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and
the profile for dubbo
>> group
>> > > > >> like
>> > > > >>>>> this:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in
ASF:
>> > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
this group is
>> for
>> > > > >>>>> hosting
>> > > > >>>>>> dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the
transition finishes.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng
Wu <
>> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used
to host dubbo.io which now
>> > > > >> redirects
>> > > > >>>>> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/.
Re the other projects it
>> may
>> > > > >> be
>> > > > >>>>>> that a
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to
be done but action is being
>> > > > >> taken.
>> > > > >>>>> The
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo
has been discussed a number
>> of
>> > > > >> times
>> > > > >>>>> in
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being
moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
>> and
>> > > > >> more
>> > > > >>>>>>>> recently
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best
describes what is happening
>> [5].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing,
and many projects are
>> > > > >> done.
>> > > > >>>>>> Could
>> > > > >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make
sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
>> org
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>>> be
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org
will be renamed or some other
>> > > > >>>>>> way(community
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding
concern.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo
ecosystem is very
>> important.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community
and connected many
>> > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
>> > > > >>>>>>>> so
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure
the branding is clear before
>> > > > >>>>> graduation.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed
(vote has been canceled,
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated
and there’s a discussion
>> > > > >> started on
>> > > > >>>>>> legal
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future
be allowed). I also note
>> it
>> > > > >> was
>> > > > >>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue
not the IPMC.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes
from the same reason I
>> asked
>> > > > >>>>> about
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they
said in many media(s),
>> many
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good
example of ASF project, and
>> the
>> > > > >> PMC
>> > > > >>>>> is
>> > > > >>>>>>>> ready
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in
first place.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere,
Zipkin
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
于2019年4月24日周三
>> > > > >> 上午7:19写道:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens,
Dubbo should be Apache
>> branding,
>> > > > >>>>> then
>> > > > >>>>>> why
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is
still used. Especially the exact
>> > > > >> name
>> > > > >>>>> and
>> > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used
to host dubbo.io which now
>> > > > >> redirects
>> > > > >>>>> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/.
Re the other projects it
>> > > > >> may be
>> > > > >>>>>> that a
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs
to be done but action is
>> being
>> > > > >>>>> taken.
>> > > > >>>>>> The
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo
has been discussed a number
>> of
>> > > > >>>>> times
>> > > > >>>>>> in
>> > > > >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are
being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
>> > > > >> and
>> > > > >>>>> more
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best
describes what is happening
>> [5].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2]
in dubbo org is using Apache
>> mail
>> > > > >>>>>> list[3].
>> > > > >>>>>>>> But
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs
Alibaba
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just
an oversight, but if someone
>> > > > >> from the
>> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
>> > > > >>>>>>>> can
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would
be good.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project
exists, and also use the Dubbo
>> > > > >> name.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo
vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
>> Dubbo
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0
[RC3]`. License issue hasn't
>> been
>> > > > >>>>>> addressed
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I
know LGPL is uncertain
>> thing(maybe),
>> > > > >>>>> but at
>> > > > >>>>>>>> this
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not
be included.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed
(vote has been canceled,
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated
and there’s a discussion
>> > > > >> started
>> > > > >>>>> on
>> > > > >>>>>>>> legal
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in
future be allowed). I also note
>> > > > >> it was
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue
not the IPMC.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>
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