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From Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:05:34 GMT
Hi

I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
> >
> > But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
> >
> > In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> > in Initial Source
> > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj[2]
> > personal repo]
> > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> chickenlj
> > personal repo]
> > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> > ...(and several others repos)
> >
> > Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
> > but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
> >
> > Could someone tell me what is going on?
>
> chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
> find it in the resolution proposal.
> I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
>
> > Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
>
> Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
> transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
> After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
> all the documentation has been merged into [2]
>
> > Or the proposal changed.
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
>
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> > [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> > [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> > >
> > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
> Apache
> > > Dubbo
> > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > format in compliance with the policies
> > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > > projects[3]. Among them,
> > >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
> > >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > > branding issues cleared.
> > >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> > >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> > > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> > >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> > >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> > >
> > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
> > >
> > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > > [3]
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > [4]
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave & Others,
> > > > >
> > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> building
> > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> > > which
> > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> > > party"
> > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
> won't
> > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does
> not
> > > > > necessarily exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> > > order to
> > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
> hat.
> > > It is
> > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> > > quickly
> > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > > >
> > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > > > abuse it)
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
> ongoing
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> > > long
> > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be
> vote
> > > in
> > > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > > >
> > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
> community
> > > > to work out a ETA.
> > > >
> > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
> they
> > > are
> > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > > >
> > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > > > earning enough merit.
> > > >
> > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> deleted
> > > >
> > > > +1.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> > > today, and
> > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> > > board
> > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
> doing
> > > this.
> > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if
> any
> > > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > > >
> > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > -Ian.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
> dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
> situation
> > > where
> > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
> that
> > > will be
> > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> > > working with
> > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> party"
> > > site
> > > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> issues
> > > in an
> > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> > > then agree
> > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
> into the
> > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> > > Apache
> > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> > > address
> > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > that
> > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> that
> > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > > SkyWalking
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> > > that
> > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
> that
> > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -J
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
> > > these
> > > > > > >> three.
> > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > > repo(npm), the
> > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > asked
> > > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
> isn't.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> 下午10:46写道:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > other
> > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> keep
> > > website
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision.
> I
> > > just
> > > > > > >> reply
> > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >> ,
> > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
> concern. I
> > > trust
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
> > > which
> > > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
> disallowed,
> > > we will
> > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
> > > other
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> keep
> > > website
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
> once
> > > the
> > > > > > >> actions
> > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > > mentors and
> > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> going.
> > > We
> > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> sure
> > > ICLA
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which
> is
> > > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
> > > except
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
> you
> > > say
> > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
> > > ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
> > > move them
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > > "eventually".
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
> Initial
> > > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait
> for
> > > that
> > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
> > > has been
> > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
> host
> > > all in
> > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
> not,
> > > which
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
> either
> > > Apache
> > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
> > > record.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> group
> > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > > logo(GitHub
> > > > > > >> org
> > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
> same,
> > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> > > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
> this
> > > should
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is
> an
> > > issue.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
> just
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
> other
> > > than
> > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
> > > before the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
> be a
> > > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do
> you
> > > want
> > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> specific
> > > ones
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> are
> > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> GitHub[1]
> > > org
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> other
> > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > important.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> going.
> > > We
> > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
> sure
> > > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > > everything
> > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
> > > dubbo.io
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
> group
> > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group
> is
> > > for
> > > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
> it
> > > may
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> being
> > > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> number of
> > > > > > >> times
> > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> [1][2]
> > > and
> > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> happening
> > > [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
> are
> > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> GitHub[1]
> > > org
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
> other
> > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > important.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
> before
> > > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> canceled,
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> > > > > > >> started on
> > > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> note
> > > it
> > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason
> I
> > > asked
> > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
> > > many
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > > branding,
> > > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
> exact
> > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
> > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> projects it
> > > > > > >> may be
> > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
> being
> > > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> number
> > > of
> > > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> [1][2]
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> happening
> > > [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
> mail
> > > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
> someone
> > > > > > >> from the
> > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
> > > > > > >> name.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
> > > Dubbo
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
> been
> > > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > > thing(maybe),
> > > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> canceled,
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> discussion
> > > > > > >> started
> > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
> note
> > > > > > >> it was
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
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