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From Jun Liu <liu...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:23:13 GMT
Hi, Sheng & Huxing

All these repos under my personal Github id has already been donated to ASF since incubation. I think they are just backups at that time, now we all work on https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website, I even forgot their existence. 

I will delete the following repos permanently now:
chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en 
chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en 
chickenlj/dubbo-user-book 
chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book 
chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en 
chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book 


Jun

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have summarized it here:
> 
> Dubbo code base: https://github.com/alibaba/dubbo  has been
> transferred to  https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo
> Spring Boot Support:
> https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-spring-boot-project  has been
> transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-spring-boot-project
> Dubbo Admin Console: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ops has been
> transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-admin
> Json RPC extension: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc has
> been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc, and further
> merged into incubator-dubbo, which can be deleted.
> Home Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io, as summarized
> before, this repo hosts dubbo.io which has been redirected to
> https://dubbo.apache.org, and it will be deleted before May 31.
> 
> Dubbo Documentation:
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en
> Dubbo Documentation (Chinese)
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book
> 
> These have been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs, and further merged to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website.
> I have noticed that https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en has
> been redirected to an archived project
> https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en. I've no idea how this
> is happened, I think it should be removed.
> 
> Samples/Demo:
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-feature-test has been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-feature-test
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ws-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples/ and then deleted
> 
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
>> Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
>> Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?
>> 
>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>> 
>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>> 
>> 
>> Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
>>>> 
>>>> But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to clear.
>>>> 
>>>> In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
>>>> in Initial Source
>>>> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
>>> chickenlj[2]
>>>> personal repo]
>>>> - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
>>> chickenlj
>>>> personal repo]
>>>> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
>>>> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
>>>> ...(and several others repos)
>>>> 
>>>> Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really 'can't`,
>>>> but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
>>>> 
>>>> Could someone tell me what is going on?
>>> 
>>> chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
>>> find it in the resolution proposal.
>>> I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
>>> 
>>>> Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
>>> 
>>> Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
>>> transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
>>> After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
>>> all the documentation has been merged into [2]
>>> 
>>>> Or the proposal changed.
>>> 
>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>>>> [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
>>>> [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
>>>> [4] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
>>>> 
>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>> 
>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
>>>>> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
>>> Apache
>>>>> Dubbo
>>>>> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
>>>>> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>> format in compliance with the policies
>>>>> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
>>>>> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
>>>>> projects[3]. Among them,
>>>>>  * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
>>>>> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>>>>>  * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
>>>>> branding issues cleared.
>>>>>  * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
>>>>> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>>>>>  * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
>>>>> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>>>>>  * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>>>>>  * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
>>>>> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
>>>>> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
>>>>> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
>>>>> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
>>>>> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>> [4]
>>>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dave & Others,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
>>> building
>>>>>>> Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
>>>>> which
>>>>>>> will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
>>>>> party"
>>>>>>> site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
>>> won't
>>>>>>> donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does
>>> not
>>>>>>> necessarily exist.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
>>>>> order to
>>>>>>> answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
>>> hat.
>>>>> It is
>>>>>>> an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>> as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
>>>>>> an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
>>>>>> abuse it)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
>>>>>>> 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
>>> ongoing
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
>>>>> long
>>>>>>> run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be
>>> vote
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> dubbo's mailing list):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
>>> community
>>>>>> to work out a ETA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
>>> they
>>>>> are
>>>>>>> willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
>>>>>> earning enough merit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
>>> deleted
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
>>>>> today, and
>>>>>>> we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
>>>>> board
>>>>>>> meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
>>> doing
>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if
>>> any
>>>>>>> further suggestion comes up.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
>>>>>> IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> -Ian.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
>>> dave2wave@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (With trademark committee hat)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Trademark resources can all be found from here:
>>>>>>>> Trademark resources sitemap:
>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
>>>>>>>> PMC responsibility:
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
>>>>>>>> Improper third party uses:
>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
>>>>>>>> Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
>>> situation
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
>>> that
>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>> phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
>>>>> working with
>>>>>>>> and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
>>> party"
>>>>> site
>>>>>>>> is and when that will be achieved.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (Dubbo mentor hat)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
>>> issues
>>>>> in an
>>>>>>>> ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
>>>>> then agree
>>>>>>>> on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
>>> into the
>>>>>>>> project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>> Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
>>>>> address
>>>>>>>> the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
>>>>> SkyWalking
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> facing that question. Could someone help about this?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午11:29写道:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Semi OT:
>>>>>>>>>> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -J
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
>>>>>>>>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>>>>>>>>>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for
>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> three.
>>>>>>>>>>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
>>>>> xxx-for-apache-project
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
>>>>> repo(npm), the
>>>>>>>>>>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
>>>>>>>>>>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used
>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>>>> stop in the same case.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
>>> isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
>>>>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
>>> 下午10:46写道:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo.github.io,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
>>> keep
>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision.
>>> I
>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> reply
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
>>>>>>>> dubbo.github.io
>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
>>> concern. I
>>>>> trust
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1],
>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
>>> disallowed,
>>>>> we will
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following things against dubbo group:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
>>>>>>>>>> dubbo.github.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
>>> keep
>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
>>> once
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> actions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
>>>>> mentors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Ian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
>>>>> huxing@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
>>>>>>>>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
>>> going.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
>>> sure
>>>>> ICLA
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects are signed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> decided by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
>>>>> except
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially
>>> you
>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before joining
>>>>> ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is better to
>>>>> move them
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
>>>>> "eventually".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
>>> Initial
>>>>>>>>>> Source,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait
>>> for
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io
>>>>> has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
>>> host
>>>>> all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
>>> not,
>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to understand for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
>>> either
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS
>>>>> record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a block for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
>>>>> logo(GitHub
>>>>>>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the
>>> same,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
>>> this
>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if this is
>>> an
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful
>>> just
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
>>> other
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily
>>>>> before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition finishes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to
>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>> TLP, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do
>>> you
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
>>> specific
>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
>>> GitHub[1]
>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way(community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
>>> going.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and make
>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>> ICLA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection
>>>>> dubbo.io
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo
>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group
>>> is
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hosting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Ian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
>>>>>>>>>> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
>>>>>>>>>> redirects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
>>> it
>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
>>> number of
>>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
>>> [1][2]
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
>>> happening
>>>>> [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
>>> GitHub[1]
>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way(community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects/developers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
>>> canceled,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependancy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
>>>>>>>>>> started on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
>>> note
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason
>>> I
>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project,
>>> and
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
>>>>>>>>>> 上午7:19写道:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
>>>>> branding,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
>>> exact
>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
>>>>>>>>>> redirects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
>>> projects it
>>>>>>>>>> may be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action is
>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
>>> number
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
>>> [1][2]
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
>>> happening
>>>>> [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using Apache
>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list[3].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the Dubbo
>>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release Apache
>>>>> Dubbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue hasn't
>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
>>>>> thing(maybe),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
>>> canceled,
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependancy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
>>> note
>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huxing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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