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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
Date Wed, 06 Mar 2019 01:09:43 GMT
On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roman
> >
> >
> > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when graduation, shows
the most PPMC members support this. We will wait another 2 days, in case someone may say others.
> >
> >
> > In case PPMC agree, I want to ask the process steps of this. From committer to PMC,
I think each one should be invited and accept to be one. Then, when should the invitation
happens?
> > Do we need to send invitation and get confirmation before change the graduation
PMC list?
> > Or we could change the PMC list first, after our graduation proposal is accepted,
we send the invitation.
>
> Just put them all on the graduation proposal (the IPMC and board’s approval is equal
to NOTICE) and (unless Infra does it) add them to the PMC in Whimsy once you have graduated
and infrastructure has moved the project LDAP.

Huh?
That does not sound right.

The graduation proposal lists the initial PMC membership (committers
are irrelevant here).
Adding committers to the proposal (if that is what you meant) is the
same as adding them to the (initial) PMC.

That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
members, in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
graduation.

The podling should also check that all the mentors want to continue
after graduation; if not, omit them from the proposal (and adjust LDAP
after graduation).

The same LDAP structure is now used for both PMCs and podlings, so
AFAIK LDAP is not changed by Infra on graduation.

Once the PPMC has graduated, committers can be added to the PMC in the
normal way.
i.e. VOTE, send NOTICE (to board, not IPMC), wait 72 hrs, invite
committer, update PMC via Whimsy.

The new PMC can also use Whimsy to adjust LDAP in case some members
(e.g. mentors) did not want to continue.

> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > From: roman <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> > Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
> > To: general <general@incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever <mck@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >>>
> >>> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >>>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> >>>> something they need to follow.
> >>>
> >> As noted else-thread, there is an alternate method to subscribing to the email
lists, by sending email to private-subscribe-EMAIL.ADDRESS=DOMAIN.COM@skywalking.apache.org
> >>
> >>> Not getting any response at all is not an indication of whether the list
exist of not, unfortunately.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway… to the thread's discussion: every PPMC received an invitation
(per Apache template) that requested subscription to both dev and private ML. Reading the
ASF guidelines here: https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#communication ; I
interpret it as they SHOULD be subscribed rather than MUST, and I'm curious as to whether
how many of the TLPs are actually enforcing this among their pmc, if any. It's an interesting
discussion… but I'm not entirely convinced it's an accurate shortcoming to whether the podling
is ready for graduation or not.
> >>
> >> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the proposed
PMC list accurate".
> >>
> >> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need to be
familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are conducted on the PPMC private
list. If a PPMC member has not participated in any governance activities during incubation,
it's unclear that they belong on the PMC.
> >>
> >> Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of the discussion
of new committers has had only four or five participants, who are clearly involved in governance
of the project.
> >
> > From a peanut gallery: has the podling considered PMC == committers at
> > the graduation point?
> > The two lists look very close to each other.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
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