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From Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Responsibilities and Improvements (was: Re: Whimsy general@ subs check
Date Wed, 06 Mar 2019 21:07:02 GMT
Hi Daniel,

There are two independent questions here.

1) Removal question and its allowance in general:  this question asked
during every talk I gave related to ASF. My fellows ask me if someone can
remove Committer or PMCs. Some folks think it is possible by the vote of
PMC. They refer to docs I've shared: mnemonic project & incubator guide.

Here I need some general understanding which I can use for
answering questions.

2) Inactive members removal: Lack of active PMCs member makes me thinks
that at some point some removal will be necessary. We can
continuously grow the roster for a TLP project, but sometimes I feel there
are ~30 members and only 5-7 active members. So why don't we narrow the
roster to 7 and invite new members?

It looks reasonable that if you want a binding vote, approve releases,
propose new committers you need to join community communication channels
and be there.  My idea is, first of all, ask PMCs if they want to stay or
leave and, second of all, to always keep committership, because it is based
on merit.

And here for option 2, I don't have any severe issues to address. If it a
bad idea, not a problem. In that case, I also would be happy if I
understand this topic better.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov


ср, 6 мар. 2019 г. в 23:12, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org>:

> On 3/6/19 9:08 PM, Dmitriy Pavlov wrote:
> > Hi Ross,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply. Apache Ignite PMCs do not support this idea, so
> > inactive PMCs will be still there.
> >
> > But still, it is not clear for me in general, why following
> > projects/guidelines contains removal procedure for Committer PMC:
> > - https://mnemonic.apache.org/develop/bylaws/  after 6 months of
> inactivity
> > both PMC and Committer status may be removed.
> > - Default Incubator guidelines
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DefaultProjectGuidelines It contains
> > procedures of consensus-based removal, - it is ok to remove for
> Incubator?
> > is it ok for TLP?
> >
> > If both PMC & Committer roles are merit-based, and merit does not expire,
> > how it even possible to remove TLP committer/PMC (excepting some extreme
> > cases)?
> >
> > This question is not only mine, but it is also often asked and I would
> like
> > to know the answer.
>
> Turn the question around; *why* are you looking to remove people? What
> is the problem you are trying to solve here? How will removing someone
> from the PMC/committer list help address the issues you are facing?
>
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
>
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