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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Starting at the incubator and releases
Date Wed, 20 Feb 2019 00:05:40 GMT
Hi Justin


On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:38 PM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Looking at some of the situations we currently have I think we may need
> some more general guidance for incubating projects and making releases
> after just joining the incubator. In this context “non approved” means
> releases or distributions not approved by the PPPM and IPMC (usually by
> voting) and available and promoted to the general public. This doesn’t
> cover snapshots, RCs or nightly which are not advertised to the general
> public. Feedback / changes / thoughts from the rest of the IPMC members
> welcome.
>
> 1. Can the PPMC can distrubite artefacts in other places that are based on
> approved releases.
>
> Yes.
>
> 2. Can the PPMC make unapproved releases in other places after joining the
> incubator?
>
> No but 3rd parties can and someone from the PPMC can act as a 3rd party,
> it must be clear that:
> a) These are produced by a 3rd party and not the PPMC and follow Apache's
> branding and trademark policy.
> b) This is not being used as a mechanism to avoid making Apache releases.
>

I would rephrase to make it clear that 3rd party is anyone who is doing
something in a capacity not as a PPMC member.


>
> 3. Can the PPMC make unapproved releases in their Apache repo after the
> code has been moved to the incubator repo?
>
> No.
>

This is a loaded statement, since PPMC's can never make releases.  The IPMC
approves the release always within the scope of Apache.


>
> 4. Can the PPMC make unapproved release in other places after the code has
> been moved to the incubator repo?
>
> No but 3rd parties can. See 2.
>
> 5. Can the PPMC keep two repos and continue to make releases in the non
> Apache one after the code has been moved to the incubator repo?
>
> No but 3rd parties can. See 2. It’s likely that the old repo name may need
> to change to avoid confusion with the Apache project.
>
> 6. Can the PPMC link to unapproved releases or distributions from their
> website or download pages.
>
> No, unless these are clearly marked as 3rd party releases and not endorsed
> by the PPMC.
>

"Yes, as long as they are clearly marked as 3rd party releases and not
endorsed by the PPMC"


>
> 7. When should the first ASF release be made.
>
> Ideally within six months of joining the incubator. Remember this first
> release doesn’t have to be perfect.
>

Personally, I disagree with this statement.  I would prefer to see "as soon
as the podling feels ready to do a release"


>
> There may be the occasional exception to these guidelines, this would need
> to be discussed and approved by your mentors and the IPMC informed.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
>
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